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GOP blocking inquiry into war


South Florida Sun-Sentinel
July 12, 2005

I thought Stewart Powell's piece on the forum headed by U.S. Rep. John Conyers had a misleading headline ("Democrats talk impeachment," June 17). It makes it appear that this forum was a partisan endeavor to damage President Bush, much like the partisan impeachment of President Clinton for personal behavior.

It's true that this is a constitutional matter and that only Democrats attended. That was not the fault of the Democrats. Republicans did not choose to attend, choosing instead to do everything in their power to block any discussion of serious breaches of the law in the House and in committee. Congress is compelled to examine serious issues like the Downing Street memo and to exercise oversight over the executive branch of government. The GOP by their actions are guilty of dereliction of duty and obstructing justice.

If the evidence corroborates what the Downing Street meeting notes state, Congress will have no choice but to issue articles of impeachment. Criminal behavior is not a partisan issue.

Carol Davidek-Waller
Kirkland, Wash.

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This is a very good commentary, but it leaves me with the question of who will force Congress to issue articles of impeachment? If there is some body, or group that can force the issue, why haven't they done it? It there is such a group I would love to know about them so that I can begin to help pressure them to force Congress to do the right thing.

A simple majority on the House Judicial Committee can choose to begin an Inquiry.

At the conclusion of the Inquiry, the Judicial Committe can Read Out Articles of Impeachment by simple majority.

A majority of the House can vote for Impeachment which sends the whole thing over to the Senate for Trial.

I'm not sure whether a majority or 2/3 rds is required to find the parties guilty.

Maybe there'll be a hangin'

Well, I don't know if it will do any good but I went to the Judiciary Committee's web site and sent them an email urging an investigation.

Good tip. You can send an email to the entire committee with one form.

As these are elected officials can't the American people file a petition for them to do there job.

As many are probably corrupt,maybe the FBI can poke at them.

There is such a group and it is us. The House Judiciary Committee has 22 R's and 16 D's-guess they didn't want this one to get away from them. The key appears to be the 22 Republicans.

"The Zimmerman Letter" was the source of a question on one of those "Record Exams": PSAT, SAT, or Grad Rec. Exam.

The Zimmerman Letter will be replaced by "The Downing Street Memos"... I can see the dissertations now:
"The Downing Street Memos and the Production of Gas in Northern Scotland... A Brief Discussion".

Mr. Turner;As I said before I am proud to stand with you, besides my granddaughter as motivation I have a son who is readying for deployment #2 in Iraq , the last time he was there my wife (Chris) and I were in constant worry for him. I am doing this for grandchildren he will some day give me . I have been very frustrated by the lack of action from our elected Democrats so I called Chmn. Howard Dean and asked him to push from his end , I also said I appreciat his energy , compliments usually help. His assistant told me Howard loves to hear from people and does urge Dems. to act more . It saddens me that politicians seem to care more for their corporate money than the people who elected them or the Constitution they swore to uphold. Keep up the fight.

I like Howard Dean.

And he got railroaded for going Yipee!
While we have a president that started war on a LIE!

I love Deans energy and I think anybody who follows him will be a winner!

Mr. Perkins,

Thank you, and I'm with you too. I'm sorry to know that you have a son who is being sent for a second time to an illegal war zone. You, your wife, and your son have my deepest appreciation for helping to protect this country. I hope that as a group we can help all of our elected officials to see the light and begin to uphold their oaths.

mr. Turner
very eloquently said. I can only add my appreciation to yours, and thank you both for your unrelenting dedication to the truth- I enjoy reading your commentary daily. we CAN make a difference!

In the years 1971 and 1972 I did my tour overseas: one year. I cannot imagine being faced with being SENT BACK into deployment after having completed my mandatory year.

I don't know how the troops handle it.... returning for another year.

Just to show how much the people who say they support the troops actuslly do here is part of my son's story . Robert went to Iraq to help the children and save America from terrorists, shortly after arriving he and his best friend Cpl.Cabala volunteered for rescue duty. I told Robert " I said to keep your head down and you volunteered for what" he & Cabala had the same answer. If we don't rescue them they have no hope, and that's how we were brought up, yes I am proud. Cabala died while rescueing soldiers, (hit w/an RPG) Robert held him till he died,Cabala left a wife & infant daughter he never met. Robert came home & learned the BIG LIE of the War and questioned the loss of Cabala. He decided not to re-enlist but spoke up & said why . He was told among other things he was a coward if he didn't fight for his country and he was reassigned to a unit readying for deployment. And people still ask me why I am so against this administration, I'm glad you all understand why and keep fighting. I'm an old man but they sure picked the wrong old man to fight.

Michael- your son and his friend are truly heroes.I'm in awe of their courage and true dedication to humanity. yes, you should be proud. Fiercely proud. Nobody can rightfully call Robert a coward. As far as being "just an old man"- all I can say is I'm glad we're not on opposite sides! Just as the soldiers protect us from harm, it is our duty to protect them from being put in harm's way unneccesarily. their weapon is the sword, ours the pen. each is equally valid.you honor your son, and your son restores honor to a situation where there is little to be found. Keep up the good fight, and take comfort in being on the side of truth.

M;Thank You for your kind words ,It is very helpful to hear words of support from people I have respect for and all who participate in this fight for America have my respect. I feel that if we each get just one person to start fighting back we will prevail.

A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TIME HAS PASSED SINCE CONGRESSMAN CONYERS AND HIS OTHER CONGRESSIONAL SUPPORTERS (124 ?) ALONG WITH 550,000 CITIZEN SUPPORTING SIGNITURES THAT ASK'ED THE PRESIDENT TO COME FORWARD AND ANSWER RELIVANT QUESTION'S REGARDING THE IMPLICATION'S WITHIN THE DSM, WHICH WE ARE ALL AWARE OF BY NOW, WHAT THESE IMPLICATION'S ARE. TO DATE, THESE QUESTIONS REMAIN UNANSWERED. CONGRESS HAS A DUTY TO ASK THESE QUESTIONS, AND THE PRESIDENT HAS A LEGAL AS WELL AS A MORAL DUTY TO SUBMIT ANSWERS TO THESE QUESTIONS.

NOW A NEW FRONT HAS BEEN OPENED UP WITH THE ROVE SITUATION. THE WHITE HOUSE HAS AGAIN ELECTED TO REMAIN MUTE IN THE FACE OF QUESTIONS WHICH ARE BEING SUBMITTED. THESE ARE REASONABLE QUESTIONS BEING ASKED AND AGAIN, THE PRESIDENT, THROUGH HIS STAFF, ARE NOT FORTHCOMMING AND INSTEAD, SUBMITTING A VERY LAME EXCUSE THAT LACKS GENUINE MERIT IN VIEW OF THE LIKELYHOOD THAT WHEN PAST COMMENTS WERE MADE, THEIR THINKING HAD TO BE THEN, THAT THE TRUTH WOULD NEVER COME OUT, RELIVANT TO ROVE. NOW THAT THE TRUTH HAS COME OUT, THEY REVERT TO THEIR USUAL TACTIC OF REFUSING TO OWN UP AND ANSWER TRUTHFULLY.
WELL, ALRIGHT THEN.

EVERY GROUP HAS IT'S WILD CARD MEMBERS AND I GUESS THAT IS ME IN THIS SITUATION. IM THINKING AHEAD, AND IN TERMS OUTSIDE THE NORMAL ENVELOPE. I FEEL SOMEBODY HAS TO THINK IN THESE TERMS THAT IM GOING TO PRESENT BELOW.

IN MY FIELD SURVEYS, I HAVE DISCOVERED THERE ARE IN FACT AMERICANS WHO BELEIVE THE WAR IN IRAQ IS JUST, AND BASED ON MORAL JUSTIFICATION'S. BUT I ALSO DISCOVERED THESE PEOPLE ALSO HAVE NO ISSUE'S WHAT SO EVER WITH ANY IMPROPRIETIES POSSIBLY OCCURING IN THE DETENTION CAMPS. THEY HAVE STATED THEY SUPPORT TORTURE AND FEEL AS A RESULT OF 9-11, THIS CONDUCT IS JUSTIFIED. SOME HAVE ALSO STATED THAT IF THE U.S.INTENT WAS TO INVADE IRAQ TO "STEAL THE OIL", THATS JUSTIFIED ALSO, IN THEIR VIEW'S. SOME STATED WE WERE IN IRAQ BECAUSE WE WERE IN DANGER OF LOSING OUR FREEDOM HERE. MOST THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO BE NUKED BY THE IRAQI'S. A YEAR AGO, OVER HALF OF THOSE I QUESTIONED BELEIVE THE ABOVE NOTIONS. CURRENTLY, ONLY THE MOST BLIND AND HARD HEADED STILL BELEIVE ANY OF THE ABOVE. THERE ARE STILL A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF THOSE WHO BELEIVE IN THE ABOVE. ALL ARE UNDER THIRTY, AND HAVE DEGREES.

ONE THING IS CERTAIN. THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION IS HOLDING STEADFAST IN THEIR REFUSAL TO BE ACCOUNTIBLE TO CONGRESS ON THE DSM ISSUE AND NOW TO THE ROVE ISSUE. THIS SILENCE IS HIGHLY INDICITIVE OF AN ATTITUDE OF CONTEMPT FOR ANY ACCOUNTIBILLITY FOR WHAT ESSENTIALLY IS CRIMINAL ACTIVITY.

WELL ALRIGHT THEN....BUT MY QUESTION TO CONYERS, KENNEDY, OBAMA, DURBIN, JACKSON JR AND ALL THE AFTERDOWNINGSTREETMEMO ORGANIZATION IS THIS....** WHAT IF THIS ADMINISTRATION SIMPLY REFUSES TO EVER COME FORWARD AND SUBMIT TO QUESTION'S ? DO WE EVENTUALLY JUST GIVE UP AND SAY TO OURSELVE'S " OOH WELL. WE TRIED. HE HAS TOO MUCH POWER AND SUPPORT. THERES NOTHING WE CAN DO. WE HAVE TO EXCEPT HIS CORUPTION. AMERICA, LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT. YOU KNOW WHAT I SAY ABOUT THAT? TO HELL WITH THAT!!!

WHAT IF THE PRESIDENT, IN HIS ATTEMPT TO REMAIN IN IS CORUPT POWER, DECIDES TO DECLARE A NATIONAL EMERGENCY, THAT AN ACT OF SEDITION IS BEING UNDERTAKEN BY CERTAIN GROUPS TO OVERTHROW A LEGITIMATE GOVERNMENT (HIS) AND DECLARES MARTIAL LAW, AND PUTS NATIONAL GUARD TROOPS ON THE STREETS OF AMERICA? WHO DON'T THINK THIS IS POSSIBLE? THE NG IS IN THE STREETS OF IRAQI CITIES NOW! WE KNOW THAT ACTION WAS BASED ON LIE'S AND ABUSES OF AUTHORITY, SO IS THAT SO FAR FETCHED A POSSIBILLITY? THAT HE WOULD CLAIM A FALSE CONTENTION HERE TO STAY IN POWER? AND USE FORCE TO REMAIN IN POWER?
AT THIS POINT PEOPLE, YOU BETTER START THING OUT OF THE NORMAL ENVELOPE BECAUSE THIS PRESIDENT AND HIS CLOSEST ADMINISTRATORS ALONG WITH CERTAIN MEMBERS OF BOTH HOUSES MAY BE COMPELLED TO GO ALONG WITH SUCH A NOTION. THESE ARE TYRANTS DRUNK ON THEIR OWN POWER AND IT WOULD BE A MISTAKE TO ASSUME THEY HAVE ANY LIMITS TO THEIR AMBITIONS. IM SORRY TO SAY INDEED. LOOK AT PAST TYRANTS AND LEARN FROM THEIR CONDUCT. HOPEFULL, IT WOULD NEVER COME TO THIS BUT SOMEBODY BETTER START THINKING ABOUT THIS BECAUSE WHO WOULD HAVE BELEIVED 20 YEARS AGO THAT WE HERE WHERE WE ARE, NOW? YET WE ARE. SO SOMEBODY BETTER START THINKING OUT OF THE NORMAL ENVELOPE
NOW, AND AT LEAST HAVE SOME NOTION AS TO HOW TO REACT TO THIS POSSIBILLITY. THAT WAY, THERE IS NO RUNNING IN CIRCLES AFTERWARD FROM THE SHOOK EFFECT THAT WOULD RESULT. WE WOULD TO SOME DEGREE, HAVE BEEN PREPARED AND MOVE FORWARD INSTEAD OF IN CIRCLES. BELEIVE ME I GOT BETTER THINGS TO DO THAN LIVE IN FEAR OF GEORGE W. BUSH'S NEXT CORRUPT MOVE. AND SO DO ALL OF YOU. BUT WE HAVE A SITUATION IN FRONT OF US THAT WE NEED TO FACE UP TO AND PLAN FOR HOW WE INTEND, AS A NATION, TO DEAL WITH IT. IT AINT GONNA GO AWAY IM SORRY TO SAY AND PEOPLE ARE DYING EVERY DAY AND WILL CONTINUE TO DIE TILL WE AS A NATION RETAKE CONTROL. YOU ALL BETTER WAKE UP BECAUSE WERE IN THE 11 HOUR NOW. THINK ABOIT THIS.. HUMPHREY

The majority of the people who read this website agree with you. We are thinking "outside the envelope."

The republican held congress is not going to do anything about the situation. The only chance we have of proceeding further to get the truth is to take back congress in 2006.

I am represented by McCain and Kyl. Both mouthpieces for bush. McCain sold his soul to bush in 2004.

The thought has crossed my mind that bush will make a deal with Democrats.............We'll give you a supreme court nominee of your choice if you'll shut up about DSM and Rove.

SIR, I READ YOUR RESPONSE TO MY STATEMENT: WHAT IS BUSH WILLING TO DO TO REMAIN IN POWER?

INTERRESTING THOUGHT THAT THE REPUBLICANS MIGHT THROW A BONE TO BARTER WITH. BUT I DON'T THINK CONYERS OR WAXMAN AS WELL AS THE MAJORITY OF THE DEM MEMBERS OF CONGRESS WOULD BE WILLING TO HORSE TRADE AT THIS POINT. IM WILLING TO BET ON THAT. BUT IM WATCHING THIS VERY CLOSELY AND IT SEEMS VERY LITTLE REAL PROGRESS IS BEING MADE. THE PRESIDENT HAS NOT BEEN FORTHCOMMING ON ROVE, OR THE DSM.
I KNOW YOU'LL SAY, "WELL SCOTT, YOU GOTTA BE PATIENT, THESE THINGS TAKE TIME" BUT AS TIME PASSES, MORE AMERICAN TROOP'S LIVES ARE BEING NEEDLESSLY SPENT, MORE INNOCENT IRAQI LIVES ARE BEING LOST AND FOR WHAT? THIS IRAQI SITUATION IS NOT, REPEAT NOT THE WAR ON TERRORISM! HOW MANY WERE KILED TODAY? HOW MANY TOMORROW? AND THE DAY AFTER? PRESENTLY, I HAVE VERY LITTLE CONFIDENCE THAT WE WILL EVER BE ABLE TO RIGHT THIS WRONG. BUT I KNOW OUR "AFTER DSM" PEOPLE WILL KEEP THE PRESURE ON. BUT I DON'T REALLY SEE ANY POSITIVE STEPS TOWARD ACQUIREING THE ACCOUNTIBILLITY. I ONLY SEE A CORRUPT PRESIDENTIAL ADMINISTRATION THAT CONTINUALLY DEMONSTRATES CONTEMPT FOR COMMING FORWARD AND FACING ACCOUNTIBILLITY. I THINK ABOUT THIS ALL THE TIME. AND I THINK, WHAT THE HELL IS IT GONNA TAKE TO GET THIS SITUATION RIGHTED? AND ARMED REVOLT HERE IN THIS COUNTRY? ANYONE REMEMBER THE WEATHER UNDERGROUND? THE BLACK PANTHERS? I WONDER ALOT JUST HOW MANY NATIONAL GUARD TROOPS WOULD IN FACT BE WILLING TO STAND IN ARMED OPPISITION TO THIS TYPE OF CITIZEN ACTION TO REINSTATE THE CONSTITUTION. IS THIS EXTREEM? YOU BET IT IS AND NOBODY IN THEIR RIGHT MIND WOULD HONESTLY WANT TO HAVE THIS OCCURE IN OUR CITIES, IN OUR COUNTRYSIDE. BUT GODDAMIT, WHAT IS HAPPENNING IS PRETTY EXTREEM (AND TERRIBLE) AND WORDS SEEM NOT TO HAVE MUCH EFFECT ON THIS CORRUPT ADMINISTRATION. MY WORST FEAR IS IF, AND WHEN, THE POSSIBLE END MAY BE AROUND THE COURNER FOR THIS ADMINISTRATION, THE PRESIDENT MAY CARRY OUT SOME COVERT ACT, OUT SOMEWHERE IN THE US, AND CLAIM IT PRESENTS A CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGER TO THE SECURITY OF THE COUNTRY, AND DECLARE AN EMERGENCY, & IMPOSE MARTIAL LAW, AND WE SEE NATIONAL GUARD TROOPS ON OUR STREETS IMPOSING A HARSH SET OF RULES ON US ALL, JUST TO REMAIN IN POWER. I FEAR THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THIS PRESIDENT WOULDN'T BE CAPIBLE OF, TO RETAIN POWER. THAT IS WHAT I MEANT BY THINKING OUTSIDE THE NORMAL ENVELOPE. HOW TO DEAL WITH THAT SITUATION. AT LEAST BE THINKING ABOUT THE POSSIBILLITY OF THIS OCCURING AND HAVE SOME PLAN NOW FOR DELING WITH IT. IM SURE THERE ARE THOSE WHO WILL THINK THIS IS AN EXTREEM THOUGHT AND OF A PARINOID NATURE. PERHAPS THAT IS A CORRECT ASSESSMENT. BUT LOOK AT WHAT HAS OCCURED AND TELL ME THIS ALSO ISN'T EXTRAORDINARY. WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT THIS SITUATION POSSIBLE, 20 YEARS AGO? AS I SAID PREVEIOUSLY, I HAVE MORE FUN THINGS I'DE RATHER BE DOING THAN THINKING ABOUT THESE THINGS. DON'T YOU TOO?
IM NOT A TIM MCVEY, IF ANYBODY'S WONDERING. AND IM NOT A GUN OWNER. BUT I DO HAVE THIS GREAT DELL COMPUTER WITH BROADBAND CONNECTION AND I INTEND TO USE IT TO FIGHT AGAINST THIS CORRUPT ADMINISTRATION TO WHAT EVER EXTENT IS POSSIBLE. THANK-YOU.**HUMPHREY**

Hit the newspapers and the networks with the scandals, the lies, going back to Harken, Military service, Richard Foster told to give wrong info, Epa pressure from White House to say air was clean around 9/11 site,Sibel Edmonds, and all of them up to the present!. They have hoped we have forgotten them all! There's a huge list, how can each and everyone of them been, lied about, covered-up, investigations blocked by Republicans, Looking at a whole list again and again can not help but discredit Bush, his Administration and the Republican Party

YES! I couldn't agree more!(not to mention Paul O'Niell, Larry Lindsay,Richard Clarke, et al- people from his OWN ADMINISTRATION who have had the courage to come forward-) how have we let all these things disappear?!great point! keep up the good fight!

The criminals who have imposed these lies on us are three columns deep....the question is, if the present occupant of the White House is impeached, who stands behind him? ...and then behind him? etc? We have been present(and muted)at a virtual neo-con revolution ever since 2000. It is imperative that Republican members of congress face their constitutional duties and prove their patriotism (love of country) by standing up to be counted at this most extraordinary time. Even if they do however, how will we ever trust anyone associated with this administration again?

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