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The Washington Post's Online Version Acknowledges Poll on Impeachment


The Impeachment Question
By Dan Froomkin
Special to washingtonpost.com
Wednesday, July 6, 2005; 1:24 PM

More than four in 10 Americans, according to a recent Zogby poll, say that if President Bush did not tell the truth about his reasons for going to war with Iraq, Congress should consider holding him accountable through impeachment.

But you wouldn't know it from following the news. Only three mainstream outlets that I can find made even cursory mention of the poll last week when it came out.

You also wouldn't know it judging from the political discourse in Washington, but that makes a little more sense. After all, impeachment is for all practical purposes a political act, not a legal one. So with a Republican-controlled Congress that doesn't even like to perform basic White House oversight, it's basically a moot point.

Nevertheless, could there be anything that 42 percent of Americans agree on that the media care about so little?

The poll results certainly illustrate the intense polarization of the American electorate -- not exactly news.

But they also suggest an appetite for more investigation into Bush's reasons for war and specifically -- in light of the assertions in the Downing Street memos -- whether his public rationales were in fact at all like his private rationales.

One topic for further inquiry, for instance, could be whether in private conversations Bush expressed the same kind of reticence about war that he advertised publicly. Some evidence -- stories like this one in Time, which quotes Bush saying in March 2002: '[Expletive] Saddam. we're taking him out.' -- suggests otherwise.

Was Bush motivated more by personal animosity toward Saddam Hussein than by a post-Sept. 11 desire to protect America from a grave threat? Did he exaggerate that threat? At what point was war inevitable?

Those are not settled questions. And evidently quite a few Americans would like to see some accountability if Bush deceived them.

The Poll

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The impeachment question was part of a Zogby International poll conducted early last week, and released on Thursday.

It found that Bush's job approval ratings had slipped a point from the previous week, to 43 percent.

But the jaw-dropper was that 42 percent said they would favor impeachment proceedings if it is found that the president misled the nation about his reasons for going to war with Iraq.

Zogby noted: "While half (50%) of respondents do not hold this view, supporters of impeachment outweigh opponents in some parts of the country.

"Among those living in the Western states, a 52% majority favors Congress using the impeachment mechanism while just 41% are opposed; in Eastern states, 49% are in favor and 45% opposed. In the South, meanwhile, impeachment is opposed by three-in-five voters (60%) and supported by just one-in-three (34%); in the Central/Great Lakes region, 52% are opposed and 38% in favor."

Pollingreport.com offers the results broken down by party. Among Democrats, 59 percent answered the impeachment question affirmatively -- as well as 25 percent of Republicans.

Shailagh Murray of The Washington Post made the poll results the third item in the paper's Sunday politics column: "Even the pollster couldn't believe his eyes. 'It was much higher than I expected,' John Zogby said of the 42 percent. . . .

"By comparison, in October 1998, as the House moved to impeach President Bill Clinton over the Monica S. Lewinsky scandal, a Zogby poll found that 39 percent of voters supported the House action, while 56 percent opposed it. . . .

"Zogby said the hypothetical question 'reveals just how badly divided this country is over the war,' but also that people may be more comfortable with the idea of throwing a president out of office. . . .

"Unlikely that the Republican-led House will begin proceedings anytime soon. But the Web sites are up and running. Impeachcentral.com is running a petition drive. Impeachbush.org is planning a march on Washington in September. Thefourreasons.org site argues that the Iraq invasion was unconstitutional. Afterdowningstreet.org asserts that Bush secretly decided to go to war and to mislead Congress in mid-2002."

In a Washington Times political roundup, John McCaslin also mentioned the poll in an item headlined: "Crying wolf?"

He wrote: "If you believe the latest Zogby poll, 42 percent of Americans would favor impeachment proceedings if President Bush is found to have misled the nation about his reasons for going to war in Iraq."

Pollster Zogby himself made it onto Countdown with Keith Olbermann on Thursday night. Olbermann was most taken with the fact that 25 percent of Republicans were willing to consider impeachment.

He asked Zogby: "When do you do the impeachment question again? When are you going bring that up again in a poll?

"ZOGBY: We'll test it periodically. Probably a month from now. Again, no one is really talking about it, but it is a good barometric reading."

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The news is: "We the People IMPEACH BUSH"!!!

Actually, it's Congress' job to impeach so the people have to get rid of the lock step Republicans that simply do the GOP bidding rather than honoring their oath of office. This is even more of a challenge than most realize...remember what Stalin said:

"The people who cast the votes decide nothing.
The people who count the votes decide everything."

Nothing has been done do correct the fraud of 2000 and 2004 and unless something is done by 2006, the mid terms will be no different. Visit blackboxvoting.org my friends.

It appears we have corruption in the GOP congress,can we fire them!

Can We the People fire the man and his cabinet? He's given enough reason.

Yes, its true.
I'm a recovering Republican.
I say this because I grew up this way-- my party was the party of Lincoln and the party of Teddy Roosevelt, the environmentalist. Those are proud shoulders to stand on.

My whole family was moderate (still is) but we really started shifting gears during the Clinton trial/censure. Millions spent, and the claims just didn't rise to the challenge. It was a smear campaign against Clinton and his wife.

It was nothing, by the way, in comparison to the Downing St reet memos. I have read them. I can see through the deceptions of this administration. They had something they didn't want people to see-- its just like the kind of deceptions we've had in the Northwest.

Growing up in the Northwest, it was unbelievable that we had "visual management corridors" along the highways on our way up to the mountains to go skiing. These were areas where the trees were not cut along the roads and highways, in order to give the illusion that there were still healthy forests. In reality, just beyond the "visual management corridors" there were clearcuts. Thanks to James Watt (who served under Reagan).

The Republican party has gotten so far off its base. What happened to small government, social justice (Lincoln) and what happened to environmentalism (Teddy Roosevelt)?

Those of us (recovering Republicans) in Oregon are opening our eyes a little earlier, I think. Though registered Republican, my family hasn't voted Republican since the first Reagan administration. That's a long dry spell.

This bunch of neoconservatives...thugs. I have no idea why people even consider them Republican.

I'm actually for impeachment to get the them thrown out. Though I have friends that are worried what it would do the "the party" I don't believe it. Sometimes you need a good house cleaning. There's a long ways to go to get back to the thinking of Lincoln and Teddy Roosevelt.

I don't care what party people are from, so long as we have liberty in this country-- no one spying on us-- environmental responsibility-- true responsibility, not "visual management corridors" or the fakery of the "Clear Skies initiative" or "Healthy Forest Initiative" which are just verbal scams to give corporations the right to cut our last remaining forests.

And we certainly want real reasons as to why we go to war, and accountability if we go to war, not imaginary threats of WMDs in Iraq.

That's my two cents.

Take heart... it is not your fault. The parasite Neo-cons hijacked the Republican Party with their PNAC thugs. Normal everyday hardworking Republicans did not see it coming, ordinary Democrats and Independants did not see it coming, ordinary everyday American voters did not see it coming...the violence-production machines (think tanks) that hide behind NPO's (tax exempt non-profit status) are well-funded by other corporations and other foundations. We know you love your party, we are not against honest, God-fearing Republicans ... we are against NEO-CONS. We know you are an American who loves America , Neo-cons do not love Americans or America. Neo-cons love empire and power. We Americans have to join together with the rest of the World Community to save these Iraqui natives from Bushco so that Iraquis can have TRUE self-determination as Thomas Jefferson would wish for the Iraqui peoples.

That is so obscene. But you know, it's not just in Oregon. I lived in the mountains of Tennessee for about ten years. When we first moved there, it was gorgeous. Then the chip mills came in and started raping the trees. The mountain was already riddled with coal mine shafts and strip mining pits, (a corporation had managed to bilk the mountain dwellers out of their mineral rights) but the trees were still there. We used to be able to notice a definite difference between the mountain and the flatlands until the clearcutting. Then, it was all the same...and ugly. A banker up there told me a story about a family who'd owned their land for several generations. The TVA (supposedly a government agency) decided it needed land to build a power plant, so they took it through imminent domain, fenced it off and then cancelled the plans for the plant. Of course, the family did not get their land back and the TVA, according to the story, sold the land at a handsome profit.

THOSE so-called conservatives are some of the most radical beings on the face of the planet. My uncle was a republican and a very good man, conservative in the true meaning of the word, not profligate squaderers of the future of our children.

You are a true patriotic American in every sense. We share a love of this country and its principles of democracy as you eloquently stated in your references to Lincoln and Teddy Roosevelt.

I sincerely hope your fellow Americans who are also Repulican can demonstrate the same love for our American democratic institutions and overcome what has been a blind loyalty to a corrupt regime.

I realize it is difficult to believe that the hijacking of our government can happen right in front of our eyes. It seems inconceivable yet it has happened and all Americans must unite to restore our country's greatness and promise to our citizens and the world.

God bless you and pray for the awakening of your bretheren.

My daughter and I rest better tonight knowing that reason is prevailing one person at a time.

In friendship,

A Distraught Democrat

Yes--Bush lied to Congress & started an illegal war. Now he insults our intelligence by stonewalling on the Plame Leak and allegations in the Downing Street Memos.

IT'S IMPEACHMENT TIME IN DC

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Has anybody heard about Bush having trouble from K street!
If anybody knows what this is about please post what you know.
Thanks!

there should be an investigation of the PNAC! a malignant cancer on the butt of the Republican party.

The highest political office in the US is that of Citizen! The second is Congress, the third is President (according to the Constitution). Remember; it's "...of the people, by the people, for the people..." Bush dosn't understand this and a lot of us have forgotten it. Only the House can impeach, then ratified by the Senate. BUT both, House and Senate, take their direction from THE PEOPLE! if WE, the people, tell congress to impeach, congress must impeach! it's not their choice. In the meantime we know who NOT to vote for in the 2006 elections.

Are the neocons in fact "a malignant cancer on the butt of the Republican party" or are they their own brand new party?

Answer: both.
Neocons are a cancer.
The neocons have NOTHING to do with principles of Repubicanism--
They are their own party of radicals that have hijacked the Republicans. Rather than create their own third party, they just went ahead and hijacked unwitting Republicans.

When will Republicans and the MSM wake up and smell, report, and do something about the neocon hijacking?

Investigate the PNAC.
And impeach impeach impeach.

June 3, 1997

American foreign and defense policy is adrift. Conservatives have criticized the incoherent policies of the Clinton Administration. They have also resisted isolationist impulses from within their own ranks. But conservatives have not confidently advanced a strategic vision of America's role in the world. They have not set forth guiding principles for American foreign policy. They have allowed differences over tactics to obscure potential agreement on strategic objectives. And they have not fought for a defense budget that would maintain American security and advance American interests in the new century.

We aim to change this. We aim to make the case and rally support for American global leadership....

As the 20th century draws to a close, the United States stands as the world's preeminent power. Having led the West to victory in the Cold War, America faces an opportunity and a challenge: Does the United States have the vision to build upon the achievements of past decades? Does the United States have the resolve to shape a new century favorable to American principles and interests?

Signed by:

Dick Cheney
I. Lewis Libby
Donald Rumsfeld
Paul Wolfowitz
Jeb Bush
Steve Forbes

Elliott Abrams
Gary Bauer
William J. Bennett
Eliot A. Cohen
Midge Decter
Paula Dobriansky
Aaron Friedberg
Francis Fukuyama
Frank Gaffney
Fred C. Ikle
Donald Kagan
Zalmay Khalilzad
Norman Podhoretz
Dan Quayle
Peter W. Rodman
Stephen P. Rosen
Henry S. Rowen
Vin Weber
George Weigel

http://www.newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples.htm

PANC January 26, 1998

Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz and the gangs’ intention towards Iraq --
Assertions we now know are false: WMD

http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonletter.htm

This so-called leader of our Country and all his lying goons should be impeached, but the reality is, this republican congress isn't even going to consider it, their sure not going to jeopardize their pocketbooks, especially if they are up for re-election.
Bush is here to stay till his term is up, then we have to worry about the next Bush in line to run for president.
OMG is there ever an end to the ruining of our wonderful country, by these Bush's?
The world hates us because of the Bush's!

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