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Investor's Business Daily Lies About Impeachment Polls


Here's their article, followed by a letter I'm sending to their editor

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Wishful Polling
By Investor's Business Daily
Posted 11/11/2005

Public Opinion: Polling, they say, is part science and part art. If so, the art part that some polling organizations are practicing is getting blacker by the day.

Take Zogby International. The last time we visited the "highly regarded, nonpartisan polling company," as its clients refer to it, was early July. While the rest of us were celebrating the nation's 229th birthday, Zogby was doing its patriotic part by releasing a poll on how many Americans think President Bush should be impeached.

Never mind that few outside the rabid left were even entertaining the "i" word. Zogby apparently felt it was time they started. Seems that President John Zogby felt President Bush "did not tell the truth about his reasons for going to war with Iraq."

What Zogby found June 27-29 was that 42% of Americans supported impeachment and 50% did not. The result was significant enough, Zogby said, that he intended to follow up.

Sure enough, he was back in the field Oct. 29 through Nov. 2. But instead of simply asking people if they supported impeachment or not, as was the case in the first poll, he tossed in a hypothetical:

"If the president did not tell the truth about his reasons for going to war with Iraq, Congress should consider holding him accountable through impeachment." Agree or disagree? (53% agreed this time and 42% disagreed.)

The operative word, of course, is "if." As in: "If so-and-so is still beating his wife, do you agree that somebody ought to do something about it?"

Some might call that a leading question. Those in the business might call it a "push-poll question." Whatever it is, we'd say it's inappropriate unless the subject of impeachment has been in the news. And as proof it hasn't, we submit this from the Web site of AfterDowningStreet.org, which paid for the second Zogby poll:

"The strong support for impeachment found in this poll is especially surprising because the views of impeachment supporters are entirely absent from the broadcast and print media, and can only be found on the Internet and in street protests . . ." (emphasis ours).

So here we have a case of an activist group frustrated that it hasn't gotten more traction hiring a pollster to help it get some. In fact, AfterDowningStreet.org admits it hired Zogby to do the poll after a group called Democrats.com failed to get major polling organizations to include an impeachment question in their regular polling.

AfterDowningStreet.org — a "coalition of veterans, peace and political activist groups" — said it continues to urge polling firms to get aboard the impeachment bandwagon. "If they do not, (we) will continue to commission regular polls."

This wouldn't be noteworthy except for the fact that another reputable polling firm apparently has taken the bait. Ipsos, the French firm that America's Associated Press uses for its polling, asked a similar impeachment question Oct. 8-9 (and found 50% in favor).

The media have enough of a credibility problem without professional pollsters, for whom credibility is everything, getting logrolled by activist groups with whom they might agree.

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To the Editor:

A couple of corrections to your article on wishful polling.

You claim that Zogby International used a different question (one that offends you more) in its October poll, whereas the question in its June poll had been more acceptable. This is just sloppy research, since the exact same question was asked in both polls.

You claim that "few outside the rabid left" are interested in impeachment (or were in June), yet you cite the responses to the three polls that have been done on that question: 42 percent, then 50 percent, and most recently 53 percent want Congress to consider impeachment if Bush lied about the reasons for war. Either half the country is only "a few people" or half the country is "the rabid left." In these polls 20 to 29 percent of Republicans favored impeachment; are they the rabid left?

Your article focuses its criticism not on the accuracy of the polls' results but on the impudence of the polling companies' asking the question at all because the subject has not "been in the news." A rather self-serving power-grab for a news outlet, wouldn't you say? Congress members have held hearings and made speeches and released statements addressing impeachment. Several large organizations have been formed to support it. Thousands of websites have been created. Groups are holding meetings and rallies around the country. Half the signs at the big anti-war marches demand impeachment. Should the fact that you refuse to write about it really deny every polling company the right to ask about it?

The one substantive criticism you offer of the question that's been asked is that it includes the hypothetical "If the president did not tell the truth..." You claim this is a "push poll." But push polls make statements. They don't ask questions about hypotheticals. And you cannot seriously be suggesting that you have doubts about whether Bush lied about the reasons for war. Can you?

We would rather have asked simply "Should Bush be impeached?" and "Should Cheney be impeached?" But all the pollsters told us we'd get too many "I don't know" responses, because you news outlets have refused to address the subject. On the other hand, we knew that we might lower our "yes" responses by asking about only one of the long list of possible grounds for impeachment. But questions cost money, and we can't afford to buy a dozen of them.

Note that Zogby asked the question on their own in June and then refused to ask it again until we paid them. Ipsos Public Affairs asked it once, for money, and now refuses to do so again, even for money. Harris has refused to ask the question for money, anticipating your sort of attack, but may possibly ask it on their own if they can figure out a pro-bush question to pair it with that has NOT been trumpeted all over the news outlets.

The proper concern here is not that people have been able to pool their $20 contributions and get a question asked twice that a majority of Americans care about. Rather, what we should worry about is the lockdown that news outlets and their affiliated polling companies hold on public disourse.

More information, including the correct information that you missed, is and has always been here:
http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/polling

Sincerely,
David Swanson, Co-Founder of After Downing Street

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Investor's Business Daily seems to be very afraid of "the i word".

This is Roves plan to explain away " I know we shouldn't have gone to Iraq, but look at all we have accomplised. We've rewritten the constitution, sanitized the term: pre-emptive, created a police state,
instilled fear on a global level, doubled the dept, thrown the eco system so far out of balance that the planet may never recover.

Rove want's to pre-occupy the country with so much innsignificant bull, that it almost makes it almost impossible for the average Joe, to put our countries priorities into perspective.

If you can't dazzel them with brillance, baffle them with bull shit.
If there is a future for the planet bush will surely go down as one of
biggest losers of all time.

I have nothing good to say about the democarats, their all a bunch of moorons!

Guy Arneson - Va.

Great letter David!! Is this rag another shill for the Bush Administration? As Col Jessup said "you can't stand the truth"! So this is just another right wing group in denial of the truth. Why are we surprised? Keep up the good work.

These days, with their credibility highly questionable, it's very difficult to take the media or the pollsters seriously. I doubt we will ever know the truth about many things. One thing I know for sure is Islamic terrorists want to cut off the heads of you and me, and our children. Sadly, people will not put political agendas aside and focus on something as crucial as defeating terrorism.

Our un-elected president and his administration lying their asses off to get us into an illeal war and immoral war is actually the only thing that has lead to any of our citizens actually getting their heads cut off by Islamic terrorists. That wasn't happening before the corrupt Bush gang of war criminals defied the international community and invaded the formerly sovriegn nation of Iraq. This war of aggression was the war crime that made all the subsequent war crimes on both sides possible. Yes, they've beheaded reporters and other civilians and we've bombed civilians and shot them down as they tried to get out of Faluija. Unfortunately we've killed a hell of a lot more non-combattants than the resistance in iraq has. The worst part is that at least they have the right under the Geneva Conventions to try to expel the occupying forces by armed resistance. We have no right under international law to be there. The U.N. resolution did not authorize us to invade. What's more, this horrendous war crime has actually caused terrorist attacks worldwide to skyrocket. It's not making us safer but more vulnerable instead. It is diverting resources from the hunt for Osama bin Forgotten who was an enemy of Saddamm Hussien in case you didn't know it. This illigitimate Bush regime was able to sell this illegal and immoral war with a pack of lies because most Americans are apparently too ignorant of recent world history to know that there was no way in hell Iraq was ever going to attack us even if they had had WMD when we invaded (remember who's got a lot more WMD than the rest of the world combined) because it would mean Iraq would become a pile of ashes. There was also no way he was ever going to give WMD to terrorists whom he couldn't control and who would probably use them on him. The war was to raise Bush's poll numbers, ensure so-called re-election and keep his daddy (sitting on the board of the Carlyle Group with their arms manufacturing firms) as filthy rich as possible. In case you didn't know it, it's a crime to lie to Congress and especially when it's done to subvert the will of the American people by convincing them of false reasons for going to war because he knew damn well the people and Congress would never approve of the actual reasons. He should be impeached and tried for war crimes.

Our un-elected president and his administration lying their asses off to get us into an illeal war and immoral war is actually the only thing that has lead to any of our citizens actually getting their heads cut off by Islamic terrorists. That wasn't happening before the corrupt Bush gang of war criminals defied the international community and invaded the formerly sovriegn nation of Iraq. This war of aggression was the war crime that made all the subsequent wart crimes on both sides possible. Yes, they've beheaded reporters and other civilians and we've bombed civilians and shot them down as they tried to get out of Faluija and for not stopping their cars quickly enough at chackpoints all over the country. Unfortunately we've killed a hell of a lot more non-combattants than the resistance in iraq has. The worst part is that at least they have the right under the Geneva Conventions to try to expel the occupying forces by armed resistance. We have no right under international law to be there. The U.N. resolution did not authorize us to invade. What's more, this horrendous war crime has actually caused terrorist attacks worldwide to skyrocket. It's not making us safer but more vulnerable instead. it diverted resources from the hunt for Osama bin Forgotten who was an enemy of Saddamm Hussien incase you didn't know it. This illigitimate Bush regime was able to sell this illegal and immoral war with a pack of lies because most Americans are apparently too ignorant of recent world historey to know that there was no way in hell Iraq was ever going to attack us even if they had had WMD when we invaded (remember who's got a lot more WMD than the rest of the world combined) because it would mean Iraq would become a pile of ashes. There was also no way he was ever going to give WMD to terrorists who he couldn't control and who would probably use them on him. The war was to raise Bush's poll numbers, insure so-called re-election and keep his daddy (sitting on the board of the Carlyle Group with their arms manufacturing firms) as filthy rich as possible. In case you didn't know it, it's a crime to lie to Congress and especially when it's done to subvert the will of the American people by convincing them of false reasons for going to war because he knew damn well the people and Congress would never approve of the actual reasons. He should be impeached and tried for war crimes.

my comment is
1- why this war
2- why killing
3- why iraqes pepole killing every where
4- what is the real reson
5--------------------------- if bush love iraqes and respect there feelingsa as he says all times...... why he even DIDNOT SAID ONE DAY WHY MOST GOOD NOBLE HONEST CHRISTINS IRAQES TILL NOW WAIT AND WAIT IN JORDAN AND THEY ALL NICE AND GOOD POEOPLE WAITING WITH THERE KIDS MORE THAN 4 OR 5 YEARS TO SEE THERE FAMILLYE IN DETROIT PLEASE COPY THIS TO THE GREAT MAN WHO ALL PEOPLE IN JORDAN WAITING ONE WORD FROM HIM TO MOVE THERE IMMAGREATTIONS SO FAST IF HE RESPWECT THERE FELINGS
I KNOW THIS MESSAGE WILL BE THRROWN IN RECICAL BIN OR IN GARBEDAGE

You say is that terrorist want to kill us. Have you ever wondered why these terrorists want to kill people? Do you think the fact that we killed over 500,000 Iraqi children with sanctions and have supported the murderous regime of Sharon could have anything to do with that?

It would seem that America has become a terrorist state in an effort to defend against terrorism. If we torture and kill at will, we are not a bit better morally than terrorists. We are certainly not pro-life.

Who's agenda are you pushing forward. Are you paid by the word, or for every nonsense post you put forth?

You wrote
"One thing I know for sure is Islamic terrorists want to cut off the heads of you and me, and our children."

There will be more and more Islamic terrorists willing to do that if we do not stop the war and continue to kill Iraqi women and children and torture suspects without bringing them acusations.

Your certainty that Islamic terrorists want to cut the heads off our children makes one wonder how those nasty bastards could be so vile and inhuman. Good Christian Americans would never even think of committing such horrible and barbaric atrocities.

Besides, such an old-fashioned method of infanticide is just not The American Way (TM). Melting the skin off children with white phosphorous, blowing off their arms and legs with cluster bombs and deforming them in the womb with "depleted" uranium is much more modern and efficient.

Your advice on putting politics aside to defeat terrorism is good, but the complete picture suggests that it might be wise to start close to home.

I seem to remember 1000s of innocent American women and children had their skin melted off on 9/11. Somehow, many folks in this forum conveniently forget atrocities committed against Americans.

Maybe one of your Skull and Bones buddies could explain elementary logic to you. We know you missed non sequiturs at Yale.

Even the bereaved will tell you that an attack by a bunch of Saudis doesn't justify the slaughter of Iraqis. It wouldn't justify melting the skin off Saudi kids, for that matter.

Nothing really justifies melting skin off anyone, including melting skin off Americans. However, why don't you put the blame for melting skin off innocents on the terrorists, where it belongs?

but not by Iraquis.

GOOGLE PNAC> "OUT" THE CABAL !!!

The entire Middle East is in our crosshairs, Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Syria, and the rest.

Yes, the world trade center was a terrible moment in history, and yes, people lost their lives but it had nothing to do with Iraq, and at that time the world was our friend. Bush blew world support because of his pre planned PNAC agenda. THE ISSUE NOW IS THAT WE HAVE DONE MORE HARM TO IRAQ THEN SADDAM EVER DID. In fact we are torturing, using weapons that have the chemical properties to actually melt the skin off a humane being. How are Bush and his PNAC hench men any different from Saddam? America look in the mirror. We are Saddam.

Saddam would have tortured you and cut your tongue out for dissenting.

Islamic terrorists add Three Indonesian girls' heads to their collection:

Three Indonesian girls beheaded
http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/schoolgirls-beheaded-in-grisly-indonesi...

It is impossible to put political agendas aside to focus on defeating terrorism, when it is political agendas that have instigated the terrorist in the first place. Al-Quaeda was an American, British, Israeli sponsored organisation. Start to remove the corrupt politicians and their corporate sponsers and you will reduce the need for terrorists. Stop the false flag operations of the CIA, MOSSAD and MI5 and MI6 and the number of terrorist attacks will be dramatically reduced. The corporate policies that America have promoted have created more poverty,death, injustice and hatred throughout the world than any Islamic group. If you wish to stop terrorism, then stop the causes that make people turn to violence as the only way to make themselves heard. Look at Israel and it's treatment of the Palestinians. That is terrorism, and it's supported by America. Before you invade another country on the pretext of putting it in order, while the true motive is for profit, irrespective of human costs, first place your own country in order.Corporate America is the biggest terrorist organisation in the world. Deal with this organisation and you will remove one of the biggest perpetrators of injustice on a global scale, and for American's, on a domestic one.

I suggest you study history. This is a religious war, not a political war. Muslims have been at war with Christians, Jews and other Muslims for over 1,000 years, long before America and Israel existed.

I do not argue that Christians, Muslims and Jews have been fighting each other long before America and the state of Israel came it existence. Since America was taken over by the faceless Corporate Players, who pay for the elections of their preferred candidate for presidency, politics and religion have now come to share the same bed. Avro Manhattan 1914-1990, was the foremost authority on Roman Catholicism in politics and wrote extensively upon this subject. One of these subject which very is close to the hearts of American’s is the Vietnam War. Look at the following website. `Catholic Church’s role in starting the Vietnam War. http://www.reformation.org/vietnam.html . I have one of Manhattan’s books titled; The Vatican Billions. Published in 1972, what this books shows is that the Catholic Church is the wealthiest single corporation in the whole world, it also shows how this was brought about. Some of his other books are titled.
THE VATICAN AND THE USA
CATHOLIC IMPERIALISM AND WORLD FREEDOM
THE DOLLAR AND THE VATICAN
VATICAN IMPERIALISM IN THE TWENTIETH CENTURY
CATHOLIC TERROR TODAY
THE VATICAN IN WORLD POLITICS
To follow your suggestion and study history would only leave me with understanding history, what we are now facing is the `Present Day` and how religion has moved on and moved into politics. The world’s problems are political/religious creations; you can no longer separate the two. If you want to see a marriage of this politico/religiosity, then look at the ignoble face of George W Bush and Tony Blair, then look at their actions, for as the old adage goes; `Actions speak louder than words`.

For some people, I suppose politics and religion cannot be separated. Since I'm not a religious person, and don't think in religious terms, my politics are not mixed with religion.

I certainly cannot defend the Catholic Church. However, practitioners of the Muslim religion have committed their share of crimes against humanity, and have imperialistic ambitions (let's not forget the Ottoman Empire). If America did not exist, Islam would find another excuse to wage war.

You had better begin to read the mass of material, books,and documents about the neo-con philosophy and the strict following of the Wolfowitz plan--That plan was for the U.S. as the only Super Power to control the world and be sure no other powers could compete in any way.. The neo-con philosophy of which Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz were the main proponents... Why did Sec. Powell upon resignation say "the Country is run by a Cabal" of neo-cons. (Look up Cabal if necessary) ( I was a republican for 48 years) and would like to send Bush and Company my Korean Service Medal with instructions on where to put it.. Montana Veteran Paratrooper-Korea
P.S. The plans to invade Iraq and Iran were in place long before 9-11

Wolfowitz is a student of Leo Strauss, and he has taught Bush well in this insidious Straussian philosophy which abuses and uses religion to manipulate their own people. Here are some lessons from the BBC:

BBC films RE: Straussian philosophy>

THE POWER OF NIGHTMARES

Part I

bulk.ctyme.com/bbc1.wmv

Part II

bulk.ctyme.com/bbc2.wmv

Part III

bulk.ctyme.com/bbc3.wmv

GOOGLE PNAC> "OUT" THE CABAL !!!

I think everyone of us should write letters to the lying main street media and demand they talk about the things we want to know about. We also need to demand that they tell the truth, or give them their walking papers. We do this by boycotting the corporate greed machines that control them. I believe it can be done; I'm already doing it to Wal-Mart, and soon a lot of other people will be joining me. I have also started writing letters to CNN, caffertyfile@cnn.com, and lou dobbs@cnn.com. As this is the channel, if I watch a main stream news at all that I have on. A massive letter writing to the media, and the corporations that own and control them might get their attention.

Your points are well taken. The MSM is disgrace and an embarrassment. CNN is a good place to start a protest, since CNN is owned by one of the biggest corporations on the planet and headed up by an obscenely wealthy lunatic like Ted Tuner.

Listen to AIR AMERICA ED SHULZ, AL FRANKEN, RANDI RHODES, LAURA FLAUNDERS. This is the truth media!

people lying about war, homeleness ozone layer hmm lets see guy lying about his life

The only people responsible for the problems in Affpaciraq are the taliban ,terrorists and drugdealers. Why is it so hard for politicians to see the simple facts?

It seems to me the best way to get the MSM to do its job is for the Democrats in Congress to continue making noise about the intelligence issue every day. Hopefully they will continously and forcefully respond to that highly insulting speech on Veterans Day. Hopefully they'll start to educate Americans through their statements that Democrats can not control anything in Congress without a majority, and how the Repugs dragged us down this road all alone, by allowing the minority party to see only select intelligence and by voting down almost every single amendment proposed for legislation. They had better start saying that in 2006 its time for the grown ups to take over Congress again, and bring America back to prestige. Only then can we even hope for accountability.

I'm an old style republican who supports impeachment, it's not just democrats. Anyone who truely cares about this country must support the impeachment of Bush/Cheney period. There is no logical, reasoned option. Bush is not a republican in any sense of the word and any true republican must be horrified with the current administration. Bush and company are destroying the true republican party and taking this country down with them.

The Constitution Article 1, puts Congress in Control, Article 2 puts the President as Exec and Article 3 the Court as Legal officer.

It is Congress that has betrayed America to the Neocons.

We the People, must recall the Neocon/Imperialist Congress in 2006.

This can't be done without We the People, coming together as Americans.

Political sniping and backbiting over what crime is the worst, is destructive of taking back America from Traitors. Let's get rid of the Traitorous Neocn Congress first, then sort out the Crimes when we can do something about them, such as Impeachment.

There will be no Impeachment with this Neocon Congress!

A Pro American Lobbyist

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