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New Poll: Majority of Americans Support Impeachment


For Immediate Release: November 4, 2005

New Poll Shows Majority of Americans Support Impeachment;
ImpeachPAC is Launched to Support Pro-Impeachment Candidates

By a margin of 53% to 42%, Americans want Congress to impeach President Bush if he lied about the war in Iraq, according to a new poll commissioned by AfterDowningStreet.org, a grassroots coalition that supports a Congressional investigation of President Bush's decision to invade Iraq in 2003.

The poll was conducted by Zogby International, the highly-regarded non-partisan polling company. The poll interviewed 1,200 U.S. adults from October 29 through November 2.

The poll found that 53% agreed with the statement:

"If President Bush did not tell the truth about his reasons for going to war with Iraq, Congress should consider holding him accountable through impeachment."

42% disagreed, and 5% said they didn't know or declined to answer. The poll has a +/- 2.9% margin of error.

"These results are stunning," said AfterDowningStreet.org co-founder Bob Fertik. "A clear majority of Americans now supports President Bush's impeachment if he lied about the war. This should send shock waves through the White House - and a wake-up call to Democrats and Republicans in Congress, who have sole power under the Constitution to impeach President Bush."

ImpeachPAC is Launched

In response to the latest poll results, Bob Fertik, president of Democrats.com, announced today the creation of a new political action committee called ImpeachPAC, headquartered at ImpeachPAC.org. ImpeachPAC will support Democratic candidates who support the immediate and simultaneous impeachment of George Bush and Dick Cheney for lying about Iraq. ImpeachPAC set a goal of raising $100,000 over the Internet to prove to President Bush, Congress, and the media that there is intense grassroots support for impeachment, as reflected in the new Zogby poll.

Impeachment Supported by Majorities of Many Groups

Responses to the Zogby poll varied by political party affiliation: 76% of Democrats favored impeachment, compared to 50% of Independents and 29% of Republicans.

Responses also varied by age, sex, race, and religion. 70% of those 18-29 favored impeachment, 51% of those 31-49, 50% of those 50-64, and 42% of those over 65. 56% of women favored impeachment, compared to 49% of men. Among African Americans, 90% favored impeachment, compared to 67% of Hispanics, and 46% of whites. Majorities of Catholics, Jews, Muslims, and Others favored impeachment, while 49% of Protestants and 46% of Born Again Christians did so.

Majorities favored impeachment in the East (53%), West (56%), and Central states (58%), but not the South (43%). In large cities, 58% support impeachment; in small cities, 56%; in suburbs, 49%; in rural areas, 46%.

Support for Impeachment Has Surged Since June

The new Zogby poll shows a dramatic transformation in support for Bush's impeachment since late June.  (This is only the third poll that has asked Americans about their support for impeaching Bush in 2005, despite his record-low approval ratings.) The Zogby poll conducted June 27-29 of 905 likely voters found that 42% agreed and 50% disagreed with the identical statement asked about in this recent polling. This question was virtually identical to one used in early October by Ipsos Public Affairs, which found that 50% agreed and 44% disagreed that Congress should consider impeaching Bush if he did not tell the truth about his reasons for war.

 

Zogby
10/29-11/2
Ipsos
10/8-9
Zogby (LV)
6/27-29
Net Change
Jun-Nov
Support Impeachment 53% 50% 42% +11%
Oppose Impeachment 42% 44% 50% -8%
Impeachment Margin +11% +6% -8% +19%

After the June poll, pollster John Zogby told the Washington Post that support for impeachment "was much higher than I expected." At the time, impeachment supporters trailed opponents by 8%. Now supporters outnumber opponents by 11%, a remarkable shift of 19%.

If impeachment support continues to grow by 3% each month, it will reach 60% in January, 65% in March, and 70% in April.

Support for Clinton Impeachment Was Much Lower

In August and September of 1998, 16 major polls asked about impeaching President Clinton (http://democrats.com/clinton-impeachment-polls). Only 36% supported hearings to consider impeachment, and only 26% supported actual impeachment and removal. Even so, the impeachment debate dominated the news for months, and the Republican Congress impeached Clinton despite overwhelming public opposition.

Impeachment Support is Closely Related to Belief that Bush Lied about Iraq

The Zogby and Ipsos polls asked about support for impeachment if Bush lied about the reasons for war, rather than asking simply about support for impeachment. Pollsters predict that asking simply about impeachment without any context would produce a large number of "I don't know" responses. However, this may understate those who support Bush's impeachment for other reasons, such as his actions before and immediately after Hurricane Katrina, his negligence prior to 9-11, his use of torture, and the CIA outing scandal.

Other polls show a majority of U.S. adults believe that Bush did in fact lie about the reasons for war. A June 23-26 ABC/Washington Post poll found 52% of Americans believe the Bush administration "deliberately misled the public before the war," and 57% say the Bush administration "intentionally exaggerated its evidence that pre-war Iraq possessed nuclear, chemical or biological weapons." Support for the war has dropped significantly since June, which suggests that the percentage of Americans who believe Bush lied about the war has increased.

Passion for Impeachment is Major Unreported Story

The strong support for impeachment found in this poll is especially surprising because the views of impeachment supporters are entirely absent from the broadcast and print media, and can only be found on the Internet and in street protests. The lack of coverage of impeachment support is due in part to the fact that not a single Democrat in Congress has called for impeachment, despite considerable grassroots activism by groups like Democrats.com (http://democrats.com/impeach).

The passion of impeachment supporters is directly responsible for the new poll commissioned by After Downing Street. After the Zogby poll in June, activists led by Democrats.com urged all of the major polling organizations to include an impeachment question in their upcoming polls. But none of the polling organizations were willing to do so for free, so on September 30, AfterDowningStreet.org posted a request for donations to fund paid polls (http://afterdowningstreet.org/polling). People responded with small donations (on average $27) which quickly added up to over $10,000. After Downing Street has spent a portion of that money on the Ipsos Poll and the new Zogby Poll.

Footnotes:

1. AfterDowningStreet.org is a rapidly growing coalition of veterans' groups, peace groups, and political activist groups that was created on May 26, 2005, following the publication of the Downing Street Memo in London's Sunday Times on May 1. The coalition is urging Congress to begin a formal investigation into whether President Bush committed impeachable offenses in connection with the Iraq war.

2. The Ipsos Public Affairs poll and the new Zogby poll results cited above refer to surveys of U.S. adults. The June Zogby results are from a survey of likely voters. The new Zogby poll produced results for both adults and likely voters (see footnote 3).

3. Here are the complete data tables from all three polls.

November Zogby: Adults, and Likely Voters.

October Ipsos: Adults, and definitions of regions.

June Zogby: Likely Voters.

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The good news is that the shift from 42% for impeachment to 53% is actually a 26% increase, not 11% (it's an eleven point increase, which is different)

It is truly disturbing that so many Americans believe that the military invasion and occupation another sovereign nation is an acceptable use of U.S. presidential power, even if it is based on lies. And another 5% apparently aren't sure whether or not it amounts to a high crime or even a misdemeanor in office!

One wonder if this peculiar morality can be a product of current teachings of America's so-called "religious right" and, if so, whether straightforward devil worship might not be a preferrable substitute.

It is not necessarily that all these 42% are blind Bush supporters. Think about it, some just do not want this country to endure another lengthy impeachment process, considering we had one six years ago. Besides which, they might also believe that we cannot begin thinking about impeachment until they see solid evidence linking Bush to abuses of power. Until then, they oppose his administration, but do not believe we have enough evidence to put them on trial.

Compare and contrast this poll to the lastest job approval ratings. The last one I read was from CBS, that placed his overall approval at 35%. That's how many people still support him, even after this miserably failed fifth year in office.

Excuse me! Then let the frs, resign! They have done more damage then any other administration! PNAC, LOOK IT UP! GOOGLE IT PEOPLE AND SEE WHAT A WONDERFUL GOVERNMENT WE HAVE!

This is the article the link on your site took me to. The poll numbers do not match the ones you claim. This article describes the Zogby poll as saying 42% want impeachment if Bush lied, not 42% opposing. What gives?

Released: June 30, 2005

No Bounce: Bush Job Approval Unchanged by War Speech; Question on Impeachment Shows Polarization of Nation; Americans Tired of Divisiveness in Congress—Want Bi-Partisan Solutions—New Zogby Poll

President Bush’s televised address to the nation produced no noticeable bounce in his approval numbers, with his job approval rating slipping a point from a week ago, to 43%, in the latest Zogby International poll. And, in a sign of continuing polarization, more than two-in-five voters (42%) say they would favor impeachment proceedings if it is found the President misled the nation about his reasons for going to war with Iraq.

The Zogby America survey of 905 likely voters, conducted from June 27 through 29, 2005, has a margin of error of +/-3.3 percentage points.

Just one week ago, President Bush’s job approval stood at a previous low of 44%—but it has now slipped another point to 43%, despite a speech to the nation intended to build support for the Administration and the ongoing Iraq War effort. The Zogby America survey includes calls made both before and after the President’s address, and the results show no discernible “bump

the article you pasted in is from June. The %s for June in that article are the same as this one claims for June. No problems there.

Look at the date (6/30/05). The article states,"After the June poll, pollster John Zogby told the Washington Post that support for impeachment `was much higher than I expected.' At the time, impeachment supporters trailed opponents by 8%. Now supporters outnumber opponents by 11%, a remarkable shift of 19%."

Impeach, impeach, impeach, impeach, impeach, impeach!Who is the speaker of the house!

The June '05 poll did reflect that 42% of the American public believed impeachment was a good idea if the administration misled the public regarding the basis for going to war. There was, however, a follow-up poll done last month, which reflected an 11-point jump since June's polling. The most recent sentiment does reflect that 53% of the country thinks our President should be impeached. I personally think that's too good for him -- he should be tossed in Gitmo or the Eastern bloc with all the torture victims who are suffering and dying while our administration continues to violate and openly object to international laws and standards governing humane treatment of prisoners. Honestly, given the current state of the country, I can't understand why it's ONLY 53%.

After the violent deaths of more than 2,000 American's and 100,000 Iraqi's, impeachment is too good for him. As a Texan, he should understand what I'm getting at.

There is always The Hague.

Gerald Ford pardoned Nixon, ostensibly to keep the nation from continued turmoil post Watergate.

I think that maybe we should have risked Ford's "conundrum" as a nation and witnessed Nixon in Jailhouse Orange and in cuffs. Maybe then we wouldn't have this bunch o' thugs in cheap suits pulling the same old tricks.

One of lifes great blessing is to live in interesting times.This is indeed such a time because we have a presidency on the ropes and impeachment is the answer. Let's get that sucker out of there, now.

You know George is not a total loss. He can always serve as a bad example.
Nowar

The Americans can vote any way they wish but who is going to impeach him? Certainly not anyone in the government -- and that includes the Democrats. And who is going to be the judge? They are all in Bush's pocket.

This Congress needs to pay attention to the voice of America, even though they left people on the street and in homes up to their necks in water, while the SOB is still on pay roll, Brownie was wondering where he would eat! While Brownie was wondering if his clothes were cool, while people drowned in New Orleans! I am pissed off and so are several million others. THIS CONGRESS NEEDS TO ADDRESS A POPULATION THAT IS PISSED NOW!America has been betrayed by our government and we are mad!

Agree with impeachment of Bush and Cheney if reasonable proof of their intentional use of false data to justify Iraq war.

I have to laugh at the attempts by Leftists in vain to bring the President down.

There are no lies except the ones the Leftists preach and circulate like this article.

Then you've been smoking weed with the President. No, it's worse than that, you are so delusional you think you fascists will remain in control forever.

You think you have every right to trample over Americans' civil liberties, and to get away with lying.

Let me ask you this before the President is impeached and you go back home crying your heart out that dictatorship has failed: Now that Libby has been charged with perjury, why are you neo-connies saying it is not a serious offense, when you attempted to remove Clinton from power on the same charge? Now THAT was laughable, considering you didn't even have 30% of the country's approval to impeach him. All you had was a private affair and you turned it into a national issue. I still laugh my head off at their failiure to bring down President Clinton, and the fact that he ended his term with 68% approval ratings.

Even at this point, Clinton had far higher approval ratings than Bush does right now. The lying crook in office right now had one of his top officials charged with the same crimes Clinton was accused of. And since you wanted Bill removed from office on those counts, why do you not believe the same thing of this White House? Is it because the far right flip-flopped on that issue since the last administration, or are you so blinded by your own red bias that you would defend this President in the face of the most incriminating evidence? Let's say the President addresses the nation tomorrow admitting his administration lied to the American public. Will you still come out and defend him?

Yes, whatever happened to those weapons of mass destruction in Iraq? How come we didn't find any enriched uranium? How come we found no link to Saddam and 9/11? How come our worst enemy, Usama bin Laden, was allowed to walk away scot free? How come the President said he would take action against anyone in his administration involved in the CIA leak, and then does not do so? How come many pundits from the left and the right predict a Democratic landslide in next year's midterm elections if this pattern keeps up?

I know, the thought of losing power, even for a second, is disturbing to you, after all Bush does love to grab power and keep it among his neo-connie friends. But time to face reality, he is going down, has been going down since his reelection, and will continue to go down if he keeps this up.

I feel sorry for you Freeper. No, I pity you. I pity you because your party couldn't nominate a more competent candidate for Presidnet back in 2000. I'm sorry that you will willingly shut out all news reports and political opinions unless it supports the far right agenda. I'm sorry that you support lying, warmongering hypocrites who care nothing for democracy or for this republic.

Oh one more question before I go: What ever happened to that supposed 51% mandate that Bush "secured" last november? Why do 53% now say he should be impeached, 2% more than those who voted to reelect him? Can you answer me that? I guess not.

Regards,
A proud blue stater.

WHY DO WE NOT LOOK AT PNAC!

If you were conservative, you'd agree that the United States of America cannot afford to have a lying president. Certainly not on such an issue. The poll results may or may not be credible, but if they are, the really important (and perhaps surprising) part is that republicans are clearly not confident that the President didn't lie.

Does the word brainwashed mean anything to you... or was the omnipatent GOP able to erase that one too? Why be a mouthpiece for a bankrupt administration? The rule your party thought was an imperative ... If you repeat a lie enough, it will become the truth --- no longer applies. Perhaps time has come to wise up dude cause your boat has got some major blow holes in it.

Toture is not AMERICA YOU M.F.

So a majority of Americans believe Bush should be impeached if he lied about Iraq?

What do we learn from that?

The question is, do they think Bush lied about Iraq or not.

I don't believe he did.

I think he is the worst President in U.S. history by far, and I think he is destroying America in numerous ways (open borders immigration policy, massive federal deficits), but I do not believe there are grounds to impeach him.

And why isn't the results of this poll making any big splash or any ripple effect in the news? It isn't censorship or big interests covering for this administration or people not wanting to rock the boat - Zogby is not credible. Have Reuters, CNN, Harris, some organisation with clout conduct this poll and get back to me.

WHY DON'T YOU JUST ASK THE FOX IN THE CHICKEN COOP IF HE'S REALLY IN THERE, AND WHEN HE SAYS NO...WELL, THAT WILL GOOD ENOUGH FOR YOU. CHECK INTO OPPERATION MOCKINGBIRD. EASY ENOUGH. CNN-FOX-AND FOR THE BETTER PART OF THE NEWS (THAT YOU NO DOUBT SIT ON YOUR ASS AND WATCH) COMES DIRECTLY FROM THIS ADMINISTRATION...AND PASSED ON TO YOU. JUST THE WAY THEY LIKE IT. GET A CLUE!

Zogby is, by far, the most rigorous, statistically accurate polling group in the US... Why do the dimwits feel compelled to display their ignorance so openly and without the slightest notion of humility?

I've seen a lot of presidents come and go, but never one as ignorant and willfully shallow as the current one, ensconced in the White House with his faithful cronies. What's the use of indicting and convicting the men who leaked Valerie Plame's name and occupation for political spite if Bush will turn around and issue a blanket pardon? And you know he will.

Never thought I'd live to see the day when torture is condoned and encouraged by this government. How can we say we're better than Hussein when we use his methods? And basing a hugely expensive war on a LIE? How much longer is this farce going to go on? When will the voting public realize they voted for a man and a party whose basic urge is to control the entire Middle East? Indefinitely!

Don't forget, this president is the one, when September 11th happened, who turned to his adviors and said "I've hit the Trifecta"...meaning, of course, he could go on to be the Fearless War President and wear a uniform he never earned...and after disgracing the one he was issued so long ago. Yes, he should be impeached. He lied to all of us, and if we don't stop him, he'll spend this country into bankruptcy.

We are the government, we do not believe in torture! We the people of America denounce the government in our name to torture people. It is wrong and un lawfull! Look up the project for the new American Century! That should make you have sweet dreams at night!

it is IMPERATIVE for the SURVIVAL OF THIS NATION that every single stinking REPUBLICAN PILE OF SCUM be THROWN OUT OF OFFICE (either by election, or bodily, by pissed off electorate) for being complicit in the coup that these thugs conducted in putting this brain dead MORON LIAR MURDERER WAR CRIMINAL in the WHITE HOUSE. (sorry if I missed the plural MURDERERS in the declaration, it certainly fits does it not?)
Anyway, if these thug REPUBLICANS don't totally hijack the '06 elections in every state (certainly is within their slimy capabilities, isn't it??) then this is the way that this MURDERING WAR CRIMINAL PILE OF FECAL MATERIAL CAN BE IMPEACHED! Thanks for letting me post.

I sympathize completely, however, I hope you would omit congressman Ron Paul, who as unequivocally opposed the war from the beginning.

---The Bikemessenger

I sympathize completely, however, I would hope you would omit congressman Ron Paul, who has unequivocally opposed the war from the beginning.

---The Bikemessenger

Actually, it should bee the evacuation of both parties in the '06 elections.. They are both part of the same coin, and driven in your face by the media system. What we need is a full overhaul of this viral infection that is called bipartisanism, which is actually one coin, one agenda, just working in opposing ways.

A bipartisan (at least) political system is essential for democracy to function (even though it's in serious trouble in our country at the present). While I agree that our system has serious flaws, I think you'd have to agree that a unipartisan system would simply result in a neocon takeover of our government. They're acting like dictators, already -- we don't need to make that task any easier.

Impeachment for the unholy war,impeach Bush for Katrina. Impeach Bush for the CIA outing! IMPEACH BUSH OR MAKE HIM RESIGN! HE IS EVIL AND HAS TO GO!

IMPEACH BUSH FOR THE TORNADOES IN INDIANA THE NIGHT OF 6 NOV.
FUCKING MAROONS

So is your comment meant to suggest that the war in Iraq was an act of God? I assume your closing epithet was a self-description?

de·moc·ra·cy:
"government by the people; especially: rule of the majority."

The majority has spoken. And for as long as the charade continues, the majority will only get larger.

Don't give me any defeatist crap like "Oh Congress will never do anything, they're all the same, waaah, waaah, waaah..."

THAT'S A SPINELESS BULLSHIT COPOUT.

There are 535 of them and 290 million of us.

We can EASILY OVERWHELM THEM with calls, emails, faxes, petitions, whatever it takes. Over and over and over again, until they are forced to act.

Pass the news of this new poll to everyone you know. Hammer the media. Write a letter to the editor. And keep doing it.

When we feel that our best interests are no longer being served by our elected representatives, it is our duty as the citizens of a democracy to act.

Not only are these war criminals not serving our best interests, they are sending kids off to die for nothing other than the support of their own selfish imperialist agenda, and killing tens of thousands of innocent Iraqis at the same time.

If that's not okay with you,

DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

NOW.

John Perry
http://www.johnperryonline.com

You say that it means "government by the people; especially: rule of the majority" and the dictionary says that you're right. Abraham Lincoln's view of the founder's intentions, "governement of the people, by the people, for the people", was even more emphatic about popular supremacy.

But that is not what the word means in the mouths of those who now seek to spread "democracy" by force of arms. The will of the people has little to do with their aims -- not at home and most certainly not anywhere else. In fact, they have been remarkably successful in using such words as "democracy" and "freedom" to promote and bring about their polar opposites.

They have even managed, to a very considerable extent, to persuade the American public that those words have more to do with protecting and advancing corporate interests than with their own rights as individuals. So Hugo Chavez, for example, is "undemocratic", not because of any lack of popular support in his own country, but because some of his aims would favor the latter over the former.

That's always the big problem when "morality" takes precedence over constitutionality as the basis for any system of governance. The neo-conservative movement is driven by what they perceive (or at least promote publicly) as an ethical imperative -- the global conversion of the world to "democracy".

But moral missions spring from different sources than the principles of law. In order to arrive at laws that regulate the behavior of nations such laws must be legalized, or there must be a consensus among states. Morality is (at least apparently) the result of internal convictions, but legitimacy is the result of constitutional procedures.

So where, one might ask, does that leave true democracy in America today? Can its legitimate exercise actually overcome the "moral" forces arrayed against it.

This government is keeping a person on it's payroll who has done serious damage to a population. WE MUST TAKE THIS GOVERNMENT TO TASK! This is something that needs to be addressed by the major news media and if it is not, then the media has been bought by the government!

I certainly support impeachment for Bush/Cheney, and I'm glad you commissioned this poll. But you need to lose that trend diagram. It's unscientific, it's cheesy, it's unnecessary, and it's so obviously bogus that it undermines your own case. What's the point of conducting a scientific poll by a reputable pollster if you then turn around and use the data in such an obviously unscientific way? Three data points don't provide enough support for a reliable trend analysis, and in any case you can't extrapolate population trends using linear regression. You're only handing ammunition to people who would love to shoot holes in your methodology and marginalize your findings.

Such a "trend projection" is essentially meaningless. I hope David or some other admin here will take note of your comments and eliminate that ammunition for critics from the main item.

I agree. Having that trend line is bogus and undercuts credibility.

Nobody in this poll actually stated they wanted Bush impeached, they stated that Congress "should consider" it "if". That might seem like splitting hairs, but if you wish to state that the majority of Americans favor impeachment then a straight question should be asked; "Do you favor impeaching George Bush".

This question was designed to solicit as many positives as possible, allowing the results to be spun differently than the respondants intended.

Perhaps that is why the MSM pays no attention, they smell the bullshit.

to 1918

from 1929 - 1939 beautiful years darling! (you won't get it but soon YOU WILL)

Majorities favored impeachment in the East (53%), West (56%), and Central states (58%), but not the South (43%). In large cities, 58% support impeachment; in small cities, 56%; in suburbs, 49%; in rural areas, 46%.

THE SOUTH has the LOWEST SAT AND PSAT scores in the nation!

The SOUTH has the lowest IQ ratings by private colleges.

Try a LOGIC class at harvard or MIT> pony up before it is to late!

Bush has destroyed more american families financially that any OTHER president in american history...........and the best is yet to come from george bush!

sincerely yours,
the currency trader

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Majorities favored impeachment in the East (53%), West (56%), and Central states (58%), but not the South (43%). In large cities, 58% support impeachment; in small cities, 56%; in suburbs, 49%; in rural areas, 46%.

PSAT and SAT national results are the lowest in teh RED STATES......just a FACT!

Colleges - Private and State show the southern states with the lowest state of logic testing results..........RED STATES!

As for your little 1918.......wait surprises just for you.... 1929- 1939..........goodies coming to you from bush. the best financial diaster yet! ENJOY DARLING!
the currency trader

PS............maybe you should send little bush to INTEGRITY and HONOR school...........as he has NONE! He needs to enlist in the US MILITARY to find the above stated qualities!

2000 plus dead with no end in sight is hardly bullshit. Nor is tens of thousands of innocent Iraqi dead.

Same for the 6 billion of our tax dollars per month that are being poured into this unnecessary, unconstitutional, illegal, immoral invasion and occupation of Iraq.

Our pretend president and his neocon handlers are the bullshit artists, lying to Congress (a felony, by the way), the American people and the rest of the world to gain support for his war of choice.

Perhaps the question could have been worded better. Remember, however, that roughly the same percentage (separate poll, also a majority) believes that Bush did intentionally mislead us, which would take care of the "if" in this new poll.

The MSM pays no attention because they are controlled by the corporate dollars that fund these corrupt politicians. They have failed miserably in their duty to keep the public truly informed.

John Perry
http://www.johnperryonline.com

I made no claim to the 2000 dead, nor to tax dollars, nor to the veracity of the administration.

I did however question the wording of the poll, a poll desigend by professional wordsmiths, designed to elicit a particular result. Non-neutral language which in turn was bastardized into headlines with a minor resemblance to the question.

I for one would like to know how many favor impeachment, but this bullshit poll is designed for hadlines not for infomation.

Oh, and "currency trader" - nutty, nonsensical rambling does NOT make you appear intelligent.

I suppose that I should begin by making clear that I do not believe that members of the U.S. Congress are "all the same". I have, however, come to the conclusion that, with very few honorable exceptions, they are subject to the same corrupting influences under very similar sponsorship$.

In particular I have no faith whatever in the proposition that merely replacing Rebublicans with Democrats, as both parties are currently constituted, would have any significant impact on the U.S. political agenda -- neither domestic nor foreign.

Rather than boring anyone with my own semi-literate listing of reasons, I'll borrow a few from an article written by Reza Fiyouzat and published in this weekend's Counterpunch.

Signs of Life or Last Gasp? Structural Problems of the Democratic Party:

The Democratic Party USA, in its latest act to close the U.S. Senate to the public, is showing belated signs of some sort of life. The sort of life being shown, however, may be the last gasps of an irrelevant organism.

One cannot forget that Senators belonging to the Democratic Party played a willing part in helping along the imperial agenda of the so-called neo-conservatives. Under Bill Clinton's presidency, the Democrats helped in bleeding the Iraqi nation of all ability to defend itself, in the process mass murdering at least half a million innocent children through their support of the sanctions imposed on Iraq.

Democrats actively helped to maintain a situation in which Iraqi infrastructure including roads, bridges, sewage systems, hospitals and schools were bombarded at will, while essential medical and educational goods were denied the ordinary people. To this day, there are people being prosecuted in the United States for acting "illegally" against those barbaric sanctions in order to bring much needed medicine and school materials to Iraqi people.

You may also remember that in 2004 presidential candidate Sen. John Kerry was advocating a war policy as ferocious in intent as that of George W. Bush's, and was indeed chiding the President for not doing enough in Iraq, more specifically not doing enough in Fallujah! After the elections, of course, George W. Bush did "do enough" in Fallujah.

But, even if those ghastly episodes are forgotten, we should not forget that Democrats have helped undermine severely civil liberties in the U.S., by their willing approval of characters like Alberto Gonzales and Condoleezza Rice to two of the highest cabinet posts under the current Bush administration, at a time that both were (and are) on record supporting the policy of systematic torture and detention-without-charge, not to mention their approval of doctrine of preemptive war-making in which the decision to wage war is handed to the executive branch.

As pointed out by Ron Jacobs, "Like the [neo-cons'] Project for a New American Century document, the Democrats' paper [Progressive Internationalism: A Democratic National Security Strategy] uses the tragedy of 911 as a starting point. It continues by supporting the wars on Afghanistan and Iraq while decrying the fact that no other capitalist country except for Britain is paying the same price for those adventures as the United States is. As it rambles on, the paper emphasizes repeatedly the Democratic Party's tradition of aggressive military intervention throughout the Twentieth Century: Korea, the Dominican Republic, Cuba, Vietnam, the former Yugoslavia, and so on. The intention of this litany is to prove that the Democrats are just as warlike as the so-called GOP neo-cons," (Is It a State of Crisis Yet? Alternative Press Review, October 29, 2005). ...

To be effective political representatives of the status quo, their function is, partly, one of keeping the people at the officially designated political trough and keeping them there only. They have played this function well, and as a result throughout the twentieth century any and all oppositional sentiments were absorbed into the Democratic Party, where they subsequently suffered premature deaths. Now, the Democrats are at it again; right after the Libby indictment, seeing that it is safe to say something, they are play-acting as 'opposition' in the lead up to next years' congressional elections. ...

We must pose this question to ourselves every morning as we wake, and every night as we go to bed: Why is it that the political representatives of capital, in all their myriad opinions and colorings, from open fascists in the Republican Party all the way to the liberal wing of the Democratic Party can peacefully sit in the same legislature and get along and pass legislation that tastes delicious to their capitalist paymasters, and we cannot unite among ourselves?

Are we not screaming bloody murder at how they are carving up Iraq by divide-and-conquer ways and means? Well? Who's dividing us other than ourselves? Can the hundreds of thousands of people, who marched on Washington DC on September 24, and the hundreds of thousands in the Million More Movement afford not to sit together in the same political party; a big, national party of a real, pluralistic Left?

A pluralist left is the only way forward, and the only way out of this splintered, divisive, sectarian, backbiting situation that we on the Left are in now. Let us unite and seize the day now.

Impeach now.

Peace to Cindy Sheehan and Afterdowningstreet.org.

Keep up the fight. Impeach.

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