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Poll: Americans Favor Bush's Impeachment If He Lied about Iraq


For Immediate Release: October 11, 2005

Poll: Americans Favor Bush's Impeachment If He Lied about Iraq

By a margin of 50% to 44%, Americans want Congress to consider impeaching President Bush if he lied about the war in Iraq, according to a new poll commissioned by AfterDowningStreet.org, a grassroots coalition that supports a Congressional investigation of President Bush's decision to invade Iraq in 2003.

The poll was conducted by Ipsos Public Affairs, the highly-regarded non-partisan polling company. The poll interviewed 1,001 U.S. adults on October 6-9.

The poll found that 50% agreed with the statement:

"If President Bush did not tell the truth about his reasons for going to war with Iraq, Congress should consider holding him accountable by impeaching him."

44% disagreed, and 6% said they didn't know or declined to answer. The poll has a +/- 3.1% margin of error.

Among those who felt strongly either way, 39% strongly agreed, while 30% strongly disagreed.

"The results of this poll are truly astonishing," said AfterDowningStreet.org co-founder Bob Fertik. "Bush's record-low approval ratings tell just half of the story, which is how much Americans oppose Bush's policies on Iraq and other issues. But this poll tells the other half of the story - that a solid plurality of Americans want Congress to consider removing Bush from the White House."

Impeachment Supported by Majorities of Many Groups

Responses varied by political party affiliation: 72% of Democrats favored impeachment, compared to 56% of Independents and 20% of Republicans.

Responses also varied by age and income. Solid majorities of those under age 55 (54%), as well as those with household incomes below $50,000 (57%), support impeachment.

Majorities favored impeachment in the Northeast (53%), West (51%), and even the South (50%).

Support for Impeachment Surged Since June

The Ipsos poll shows a dramatic transformation in support for Bush's impeachment since late June.  (This is only the second poll that has asked Americans about their support for impeaching Bush in 2005, despite his record-low approval ratings.) The Zogby poll conducted June 27-29 of 905 likely voters found that 42% agreed and 50% disagreed with a statement virtually identical to the one used by Ipsos Public Affairs. (see footnote below)

 

Ipsos 10/8-9
Zogby 6/27-29
Net Change
Support Impeachment
50% 42% +8%
Oppose Impeachment
44% 50% +6%
Impeachment Margin
+6% -8% +14%

After the June poll, pollster John Zogby told the Washington Post that support for impeachment "was much higher than I expected." At the time, impeachment supporters trailed opponents by 8%. Now supporters outnumber opponents by 6%, a remarkable shift of 14%.

Support for Clinton Impeachment Was Much Lower

In August and September of 1998, 16 major polls asked about impeaching President Clinton (http://democrats.com/clinton-impeachment-polls). Only 36% supported hearings to consider impeachment, and only 26% supported actual impeachment and removal. Even so, the impeachment debate dominated the news for months, and the Republican Congress impeached Clinton despite overwhelming public opposition.

Impeachment Support is Closely Related to Belief that Bush Lied about Iraq

Both the Ipsos and Zogby polls asked about support for impeachment if Bush lied about the reasons for war, rather than asking simply about support for impeachment.  Pollsters predict that asking simply about impeachment without any context would produce a large number of "I don't know" responses. However, this may understate the percentage of Americans who favor Bush's impeachment for other reasons, such as his slow response to Hurricane Katrina, his policy on torture, soaring gasoline prices, or other concerns. 

Other polls show a majority of U.S. adults believe that Bush did in fact lie about the reasons for war. A June 23-26 ABC/Washington Post poll found 52% of Americans believe the Bush administration "deliberately misled the public before the war," and 57% say the Bush administration "intentionally exaggerated its evidence that pre-war Iraq possessed nuclear, chemical or biological weapons."

Support for the war has dropped significantly since June, which suggests that the percentage of Americans who believe Bush lied about the war has increased.

Passion for Impeachment is Major Unreported Story

The strong support for impeachment found in this poll is especially surprising because the views of impeachment supporters are entirely absent from the broadcast and print media, and can only be found on the Internet and in street protests, including the large anti-war rally in Washington on September 24.

The lack of coverage of impeachment support is due in part to the fact that not a single Democrat in Congress has called for impeachment, despite considerable grassroots activism by groups like Democrats.com (http://democrats.com/impeach).

"We will, no doubt, see an increase in activism following this poll," said David Swanson, co-founder of AfterDowningStreet.org.  "But will we see an increase in media coverage? The media are waiting for action in Congress.  Apparently it's easier to find and interview one of the 535 members of Congress than it is to locate a representative of the half of the country that wants the President impeached if he lied about the war.  The media already accepts that Bush did lie about the war.  We know this because so many editors and pundits told us that the Downing Street Memo was 'old news.'  What we need now is journalism befitting a democracy, journalism that goes out and asks people what they really think about their government, especially George Bush."

The passion of impeachment supporters is directly responsible for the new poll commissioned by After Downing Street. After the Zogby poll in June, activists led by Democrats.com urged all of the major polling organizations to include an impeachment question in their upcoming polls. But none of the polling organizations were willing to do so for free, so on September 30, AfterDowningStreet.org posted a request for donations to fund paid polls (http://afterdowningstreet.org/polling). As of October 10, 330 individuals had contributed $8,919 in small donations averaging $27 each.

AfterDowningStreet.org has commissioned a second poll which is expected soon, and will continue to urge all polling organizations to include the impeachment question in their regular polls. If they do not, AfterDowningStreet.org will continue to commission regular impeachment polls.

Footnotes:

1. AfterDowningStreet.org is a rapidly growing coalition of veterans' groups, peace groups, and political activist groups that was created on May 26, 2005, following the publication of the Downing Street Memos in London's Sunday Times on May 1. The coalition is urging Congress to begin a formal investigation into whether President Bush committed impeachable offenses in connection with the Iraq war.

2.Here are the complete tables from the Ipsos Public Affairs poll, plus the definitions of regions used by Ipsos and the U.S. Census Bureau.

3. Zogby asked: "If President Bush did not tell the truth about his reasons for going to war with Iraq, Congress should consider holding him accountable by impeaching him through impeachment." Here are (complete tables from Zogby)

4. Pollsters have offered various reasons for refusing to poll on impeachment. For example, Gallup said it would do so "if, and when, there is some discussion of that possibility by congressional leaders, and/or if commentators begin discussing it in the news media."

NOTE WELL: The After Downing Street Coalition hired Ipsos Public Affairs to do this poll. Ipsos did not sponsor the poll, but was very helpful, cooperative, and professional. Please do NOT complain to them that they did not do the poll for free. If you feel you must communicate with them, please thank them for being helpful. Please ask the other polling firms to ask the impeachment question.

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Is that 44 percent of Americans oppose impeachment EVEN IF THE PRESIDENT LIED about the reasons for war! These same people supported impeachment when Bill Clinton lied about a personal sexual episode. This tells me that there is a segment of this population that would continue to support and applaud George Bush even if he were videotaped committing a murder....and admitted to it.

That's way too high a percentage of morons to have in one country.

I share your amazement. To this day there are loyal supporters of Hitler, Stalin, Saddam, etc. who believe "if you share my ideology I give you carte blanche". This poll shows how widespread this thinking really is.

If you were on trial, would you want a jury trial? I'd take my chances with a Judge. Much better odds. Way too many ignorant people in this country.

Yeah that 44% amazes me too. I guess they all come from that 52% that voted for the stupid murdering fool in 2004. Maybe one day they will get their head outta Bush's ass and see him for the lying criminal he is!

But that day isn't coming soon enough because we are nearing 3000 American troop deaths in Iraq. So while this moron is allowed to continue to lie and commit various felony and immoral acts, our soldiers are still dying fighting a war that never should've been. Bush needs to go and he needs to be impeached now, before another soldier's life is lost, before an innocent iraqi child playing outside their homes is killed. There is a way to fight for and protect your country against terrorism but I think it can be done without the lies, without murders and without 1/2 of the tactics this administration is using. Bush needs to be impeached ASAP.

Prove your statements, list what crimes he has commited. And do a little research before you list them, so that you can be sure that he in fact, commited felonies.

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Bush was not under oath at any time he spoke about Iraq, therefore did not commit a crime. Nor is Bush the first president to lie to congress or the public (if he did so). FDR lied to congress about aid and money being sent to Great Britain and the U.S.S.R. before we were attacked at Pearl Harbor. Kennedy lied to everyone about Castro, the Cuban Missile Crises, and Vietnam. Clinton was impeached for lying under oath, which is a crime. Get your facts straight next time bub.

I don't doubt that support for impeachment has increased since June but comoparing two different polls without the exact same methodology and sample is pretty much like comparing apples and oranges. That's why kicking Zogby until he does another poll is so important. Or at the very least doing another IPSOS poll down the road so we can check for real growth.

Congresswoman McKinney brought up impeachment. Force them to talk about that!!!!!!!!!!

WE MUST FORCE THE MEDIA TO COLLECTIVELY TALK ABOUT IMPEACHMENT....If we can do that, then everything else follows, including forcing congress to move and/or replacing congress.

Doug E.

I agree with you. People are thinking it and even wanting it but for some reason are scared to bring it up. I can't imagine this country letting him get away with the things he and his administration have done. I just cant imagine that!

Thanks guys for taking matters into your own hands. Keep up the good work. Now maybe more people will believe what we have known all along.

"If President Bush did not tell the truth about his reasons for going to war with Iraq, Congress should consider holding him accountable by impeaching him."

The problem is .....Congress is just as culpable for this Iraq deception as Bush is.
So, WHO is going to hold him accountable? ....Congress?

I recommended listening to the interview with former U.N. weapons inspector Scott Ritter - he was on the Diane Rehm show today ( Tues. Oct.11 '05 ).
He makes it very clear that most in Congress, Dems and Repubs, are equally to blame. Also touches on Clinton's challenges in '92 coming in on the heels of daddy Bush.

to listen to the show:
http://www.wamu.org/programs/dr/05/10/11.php

Congress was lied to and based their decisions upon the information that was provided by the administration. With the proof of lies and manipulated 'evidence', it might change some minds about the future of the administration.

If we defer to the GOP, who set the "Impeachment Standards" during the Clinton debacle, then I would say lying about War, in which tens of thousands have perished, is at least as bad as lying about a single conciliatory act of oral sex - well, at least 50% of us think so. The other 50%, well, it must be in the genes.

The proposal: "If President Bush did not tell the truth about his reasons for going to war with Iraq, Congress should consider holding him accountable by impeaching him."

The answer: Fully one-half of Americans either disagree or are unsure that Congress should even "consider" holding the President of the United States accountable for starting a war based on lies.

Sadly, based on long observation of America's declining standards of conduct, both domestic and international, I have to say that I'm not surprised.

I'll use FAIR's media contact page to spread the word.

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=111

Fellow Citizens,

DO THE FOLLOWING IMMEDIATELY!

Print a copy of the latest poll commissioned by After Downing Street, make copies of it, and hand deliver the copies to the editors and producers of news programming at your local media. Try to talk to them directly, and urge them to publish coverage of the findings of the poll. If you have not the time to deliver the poll results, send them to the editors and producers by e-mail, and urge them to publish the results of the poll.

Editors and publishers tend not to print or broadcast "old" news, so get the poll results to them immediately!

The tide has turned. Well deserved reckonings await our political leaders. Let us "bring it on!"

Mark Venzke

Now that its obvious that corruption, cronyism, criminal activity and incompetence infect the highest levels of the GOP its time to begin routing out the two-bit gop elected underlings.

What about Cheney?

If the mainstream media won't talk about impeachment, maybe a great "fake" news show like the Daily Show will! Send Jon Stewart a memo!

with this information? I hope you will urge larger media organiations to run with this. I doubt they'll do it, but it's worth the try.

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You are going about this all wrong!. First get rid of DeLay, then Hastert, then Cheney, then Bush. They are all corrupt and need to go.
Just think what it would be like if Cheney succeeded Bush. It would be a much worse disaster. And if he, then Hastert. etc. I would not want Delay under any imaginable circumstance. Convict all of them of treason first.
Please be careful about the impeachment. Choose the timing to be before the next congressional election so it would produce a Democratic sweep but not the succession. A Democratic sweep could stop Bush and undo some of what he has done. Think very carefully about what you propose. It could be hazardous to our health

you have to start with the top criminal - the others will come down too

By that I mean rather than going after one particular individual based on his position in the hierarchy,I would expect Mr. Fitzgerald is taking a broader prespective and thinking in terms of opportunely timed and ordered indictments (assuming he is indeed planning multiple indictments)aimed at producing the best end result of his investigation.

I suggest that would be a wise approach to this matter of impeachment as well. That is to say, take the easy ones first and fast, be a little( not a lot) patient and the rest are sure to fall.

---Thank You,
The Bikemessenger

P.S.Are you the same David Swanson as

http:www.davidswanson.org/print.php?... ??

Respondents answered the question they heard, which was should Bush be impeached. Most people now believe yes he should.

The artcle goes into great detail to say essentially that now

"52% of Americans believe the Bush administration "deliberately misled the public before the war,"" and therefor should be impeached.

There is a large section of the population that lives inside a thick layer of disinformation. But the great majority of the American population, whose ears are not ringing with theocratic/ millenialist/ terror, do want George W. Bush arrested and tried. Fairly.

Was this "poll" done by the same IPSOS that is owned by The Associated Press? The same IPSOS that has repeatedly delivered polls weighted ever so slightly by Democrats and filled with registered rather than likely voters? Come on. That's not a clear picture. Based on what I can see from what is available on this poll, it is probubly off by about 9%.

i'm guessing some people would like him held at Guantanamo without charge, but I'd like him publicly tried with the benefits of the laws he's shredded

I too was very angry at Bush when he made the decision to go to war. What was worse was Congress went along with it too, with not much discussion. Perhaps I was more sensitive because I see the destructiveness of the Vietnam war, and I just cannot understand why anyone would choose that unless one has to.

I got over my anger with Bush already. I don't hold my anger for anyone that long. However, I would like him to be removed simply because he is incompetent. Every time that I think his decision is bad, the next decision that he made is even worse. I just hope and pray that he does not destroy this wonderful country because of his narrow view. So, if impeachment is the way to get him removed from office, I am all for it. However, with the majority being Republicans, I doubt if it will happen. But the issue should be brought up to make people think about it.

Bush is losing his support base, its a long slow process to convince most of these lifelong Repubs to abandon their party leader. My father, a dyed in the wool Repub has finally seen the light and said he wants him and his crooked cronies out of there. It amazed me that my father finally admitted what a worthless Prez Bushie really is.

no self-defeating predictions permitted -- we'll leave that to our elected representatives! All things are possible, and unless the Dems fight for this one, they'll stay a minority for the forseeable future.

Thank You David. I have heard Rhandi Rhodes, and also Ed Shultz on air america and our local lefty Ray Talifaro on KGO in san fran all criticize or satirize the impeachment movement. I dont know what the motivation is but its not helpful, and can produce despair and apathy right at the time when we are trying to get people on board.
Thank you for pointing this out.

Please bag the hopelessness stuff

Mr. Bush has certainly told the senate a pack of lies in collaborations with Mr. Colin Powel and before there were questions about the attack on Iraq whether valid or not, Mr. Powell resigned. Smart!!!!

Block the Impeachment

"In selecting a nominee, I've sought to find an American of grace, judgment and unwavering devotion to the Constitution and laws of our country. Harriet Miers is just such a person," Bush said. "I've known Harriet for more than a decade. I know her heart. I know her character."

The idea that no one can figure out why Bush picked Miers for the Supreme Court is comical. His personal attorney, the one he hired to cover his ass in the Valerie Wilson outing, shall move up to a level from which she can block impeachment proceedings.

Simple? Tell it to the media spin doctors who all debate about, "Why did he abandon the conservative right?"

What a joke. Come on, how obvious is it? You connect these dots.

I fully agree. Bush isn't interested in "Truth, Justice and the American Way" (to quote Superman). Bush is busily setting up the Supreme Court for one purpose only: to save his sorry ass when he is the one in the dock. Fortunately there are international tribunals that are out of his reach.

It is my understanding of the Constitution (it IS still valid, isn't it?) that the House brings the impeachment and the Senate upholds the impeachment. I may be wrong but I don't think the Supreme Court has much to do with it - Where the hell did I put my high school civics book???

Actually, Bush appointed chief justice John Roberts will preside over any impeachment trial in the Senate. Exactly what powers Heir Roberts has to derail a guilty verdict is ripe for speculation. If you think the Bush crime family has destroyed American democracy, hang on for dear life because the ducks are all lined up for some pretty scary power grabs if things go nuclear. Remember, the Patriot act states that any attempt to undermine the ability of the government at time of "war" is "domestic" terrorism. If we reach a flash point, this could be twisted into a stunning chain of events that are beyond imagination at this point. I'm not feeling unfrightened. We have a long and difficult process ahead before we are free. Again.

the ICC .... let the Hague know we Americans want PNAC on this ICC trial as much as the rest of the world does!

http://www.icc-cpi.int/

SAY IT LOUD... way too obvious!

Impeachement proceedings do not happen in the Supreme Court, they are began by the House of Representitives, and then the Senate tries the case. Learn what the fuck you are talking about.

Hey, I've been in favor of impeaching Bush since the first day of his administration. But if you're going to start using poll numbers, use them correctly. Not only is Anonymous (I Don't Doubt It, But. . .) correct in saying you can't reliably compare the Ipsos and Zogby numbers looking for "trends." But you're not even reporting the trends right. A change from 42% to 50% is plus eight _points_, not plus 8% (it's actually plus 19%). And a change from 50% to 44% is not "+6%" its _minus_ 6 points, or minus 15%.

The only way to impeach Bush is to take back Congress. Let's get on it.

> And a change from 50% to 44% is not "+6%" its _minus_ 6 points, or minus 15%.

"you're not even reporting the trends right" is a good point, but 6/50 = 12%, not 15%. ;-)

Good point about the poll numbers.

As for "take back Congress," first we need to be assured of the electoral process, that ALL votes are taken and counted honestly. Please start reading the Bradblog: www.bradblog.com also www.whoscounting.net - www.votersunite.org - www.uscountvotes.org - www.verifidevoting.org. all of them are eyeopeners and tell what we can do to get involved.

Bumpa

The politics of fear has got to be stopped. It is destroying our country and the fabric of US society. President Bush has committed the most appaling crimes against the American people through his mendacity and incompetence. In 1998 every pollster in the country was asking about the impeachment of Clinton over a blow job! Please, please tell me why Bush is receiving special treatment? Why aren't Congress and the media asking about impeachment for this, the worst President in the history of this country. Between Iraq, Katrina, Plame Gate, Halliburton and Blackwater war profiteering, the unsupportable deficit, and all of the corruption currently being uncovered within the Republican Party, I cannot understand why the our Congress and media are NOT standing up for us in demanding an explanation from these criminals who are currently running the country into the ground. I am begging you to start asking the questions...there must be millions of other Americans, who, like me, feel betrayed and abused by this Administration's counterproductive machinations.

Are you going to grow a spine and do your job, or will you continue failing miserably to completely and accurately inform the American people?

It has long since become painfully obvious that this country has never had a more impeachable president than George W. Bush. Waiting for Congress to act before covering the impeachment question only signals your blatant complicity, since it is also painfully obvious that most of them are shirking their sworn duty to defend, protect and uphold the Constitution of the United States.

Insulted by the charge of complicity? Good. Prove it wrong by giving the American people the thorough, objective media they deserve.

John Perry
http://www.johnperryonline.com

We should all call and write letters to media outlets to cover this issue. We have to hound them to do their job. We should also hound the Democratic Party to do its job, which is NOT what DLC candidates Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden want. Why the DLC (like Republicans) likes illegal war is strange, to state it mildly. Is there reason for the insanity? Well trot it out for us to have a look see.

The mainstream media has to do its job or die. Its up to them. I am already largely boycotting them, trending towards ignoring them completely in favor of more trusted sources from the web and magazines.

Public television just did a very comprehensive piece on Israel Palestine. We have been lied for so long to by the media on this issue its unbelievable. We have given israel 100 billion in aid and weapons since the forties.

Your chart comparing Ipsos with Zogby contains an error. For "Oppose Impeachment" the net change should be -6%, not +6% as presently shown above.

It is perfectly useful to track two aggregated polls (provided there aren't any "shenannigens (sp)" in the survey methodology).

And it is also a meaningful measure of "improvment" (+6 pct points) when the percent of those surveyed opposing impeachment declines at a rate > the margin of error (kind of like two negatives end up with a + sign.

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