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Can Bush Be Ousted?


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By Robert Parry
October 1, 2005

Can American voters impose any meaningful accountability on George W. Bush, including possibly removing him and his team from office?

That’s a question – implicit in our recent stories about his administration’s failures – that has attracted skepticism from some readers. Several have sent e-mails expressing strong doubts that anything at all can be achieved through the electoral process, given the cowardice of the Democratic Party and the complicity of the mainstream news media.

There is much to be said for those arguments. A sub-theme of my book, Secrecy & Privilege, is that the massive conservative investment in media, think tanks and attack groups over the past three decades has led to a systemic change in U.S. politics, the creation of a right-wing machine that can crush almost anyone who gets in the way.

While there have been some cracks in that machine – with the bad news from Iraq, Hurricane Katrina, pocketbook issues like gasoline prices and corruption probes of leading Republicans – the conservatives retain a huge advantage when it comes to putting out and repeating a message that will resonate with their followers and average voters.

Liberals and the Left have been remarkably slow in recognizing the danger from this media-driven conservative juggernaut. Though progressive talk radio and Internet bloggers have begun to challenge the Right’s media dominance, those efforts are still grossly under-funded and lack anything like the reach of the conservative apparatus.

In such an imbalanced media environment, most national Democrats prefer to play it safe, staying close to the political herd. That timidity, in turn, demoralizes the liberal base, which is desperate for someone to emerge as a courageous leader.

Delusional?

A recurring theme in the e-mails responding to our articles, such as “What to Do About the Bush Problem

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It is a problem for sure, but with enough people willing to join in a movement and protest to our congress that we will no longer put up with the "business as usual" within this administration we can be a force to contend with.

If we americans can threaten impeachment on a President that had "sexual relations" with someone other than his wife that has no baring on his "job", WHY not threaten impeachment over a WAR that is labeled a war on terror and is nothing more than an oil war? Innocent people are dying and our homeland security is ceasing to exist.

Great article but I would have to disagree with the author on one point having to do with the need for the emergence of a courageous leader. We already have one...Cindy Sheehan.
You jest you say? Not at all. I would bet my last dollar that she could run for any office anywhere there are at least a few Democrats and win hands down. Two months ago hardly anyone had ever even heard of her. Now she is known all over the world. Why do you think she got so much attention in such a short time? Because there was such a hunger in the liberal base for some one to stand up to George Bush and stare him down. No so called Democratic leader would stand up and be counted but she did. She is pure of heart and has no agenda but the truth. I cannot imagine a single one of the 51 million who didn't vote for George not voting for her. I would willing follow her to the ends of the earth blindly and you know why? I trust her...yes that word we that so seldom see used today. Why do I trust her? Because she speaks the truth she will not be intimidated and if in a position of leadership she would not compromise her values or the principles on which this country was founded. I just checked the whois base and cindyforpresident,com is available. If ADS.org would put up a site and solicit funds I guarantee the money would pour in so fast if would hard to count. Am I nuts? I don't think so. I will watch to see if
happens.

she also speaks well, straightforwardly and she has full knowledge of all the aspects that killed her son Casey (PNAC agenda, AIPAC, oil, etc.)

Think Paul Wellstone, Mel Carnahan, Robert Kennedy, John F. Kennedy, and countless others, well known and not so well known.

Think Al Gore and John Kerry clamming up when they knew they won their elections.

Congress is made up of 535 puppets. They dare not cross the line that keeps them under control. It isn't a matter of Democrat or Republican. It's a matter of undoing corporate personhood for starters. That, IMHO, would go a long way to restoring our Republic and denying the out-of-control greed and fascist power.

But then, what do I know!

What if the Republican party has indeed rigged the new computerized voting machines as some have expected, thereby rendering mute the votes against the Republican candidates? What's the scenario at that point?

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"RESUME:

George W. Bush

The White House, USA

EDUCATION AND EXPERIENCE

LAW ENFORCEMENT:

* I was arrested in Kennebunkport, Maine in 1976 for driving under the influence of alcohol. I pled guilty, paid a fine, and had my driver's license suspended for 30 days. My Texas driving record has been "lost" and is not available.

MILITARY:

* I joined the Texas Air National Guard and went AWOL. I refused to take a drug test or answer any questions about my drug use. By joining the Texas Air National Guard, I was able to avoid combat duty in Vietnam.

COLLEGE:

* I graduated from Yale University. I was a C student and a cheerleader.

PAST WORK EXPERIENCE:

* I ran for US Congress and lost.

* I began my career in the oil business in Midland, Texas in 1975. I bought an oil company, but couldn't find any oil in Texas. The company went bankrupt shortly after I sold all my stock.

* I bought the Texas Rangers baseball team in a sweetheart deal that took land using taxpayer money with the help of my father and our right-wing friends in the oil industry (including Enron CEO Ken Lay),

* I was elected Governor of Texas.

ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS GOVERNOR:

* I changed Texas pollution laws to favor power and oil companies, making Texas the most polluted state in the Union.

* During my tenure, Houston replaced Los Angeles as the most smog-ridden city in America.

* I cut taxes and bankrupted the Texas treasury to the tune of billions in borrowed money.

* I set the record for the most executions by any Governor in American history.

* With the help of my brother, the Governor of Florida, and my father's appointments to the Supreme Court, I became President after losing by over 500,000 votes.

ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS PRESIDENT:

* I invaded and occupied two countries at a continuing cost of over one billion dollars per week.

* I spent the US surplus and effectively bankrupted the US Treasury.

* I shattered the record for the largest annual deficit in US history.

* I set an economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any 12-month period.

* I set the all-time record for the biggest drop in the history of the US stock market.

* I am the first president in US history to enter office with a criminal record.

* I set the all-time record for most days on vacation in any one year period.

* After taking-off the entire month of August, I presided over the worst security failure in U.S. history.

* I am supporting development of a nuclear "Tactical Bunker Buster," a WMD

* In my State Of The Union Address, I lied about our reasons for attacking Irak then blamed the lies on our British friends.

* I set the record for most campaign fundraising trips by a US president.

* In my first year in office over 2-million Americans lost their jobs and that trend continues every month.

* I set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12-month period.

* I appointed more convicted criminals to administration than any president in US history.

* I set the record for least amount of press conferences than any president since the advent of television.

* I presided over the biggest energy crisis in US history and refused to intervene when corruption involving the energy industry was revealed.

* I presided over the highest gasoline prices in US history.

* I have cut health care benefits for war veterans and support a cut in duty benefits for active duty troops and their families -- in wartime.

* I have set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously protest me in public venues (15 million people) shattering the record for protest against any person in the history of mankind.

* I've broken more international treaties than any president in US history.

* I'm proud that the members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in US history.

* My "poorest millionaire," Condoleeza Rice, has a Chevron oil tanker named after her.

* I am the first president in US history to order an unprovoked, preemptive attack and the military occupation of a sovereign nation. I did so against the will of the United Nations, the majority of US citizens, and the world community.

* I created the Ministry of Homeland Security, the largest bureaucracy in the history of the United States government.

* I am the first president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the Human Rights Commission.

* I withdrew the US from the World Court of Law.

* I refused to allow inspectors access to US prisoners of war" (detainees) and thereby have refused to abide by the Geneva Convention.

* I am the first president in history to refuse United Nations election inspectors (during the 2002 US election).

* I am the all-time US and world record-holder for receiving the most corporate campaign donations.

* My largest lifetime campaign contributor, and one of my best friends, Kenneth Lay, presided over the largest corporate bankruptcy fraud in US history.

* My political party used the Enron private jets and corporate attorneys to assure my success with the US Supreme Court during my election decision.

* I have protected my friends at Enron and Halliburton against investigation or prosecution.

* More time and money was spent investigating the Monica Lewinsky affair than has been spent investigating one of the biggest corporate rip-offs in history.

* I garnered the most sympathy for the US after the World Trade Center attacks and less than a year later made the US the most hated country in the world, the largest failure of diplomacy in world history.

* I am first president in history to have a majority of Europeans (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and security.

* I changed the US policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts.

* I have so far failed to fulfill my pledge to bring Osama Bin Laden to justice.

RECORDS AND REFERENCES:

*All records of my tenure as Governor of Texas are now in my father's library, sealed, and unavailable for public view.

* All records of SEC investigations into my insider trading and my bankrupt companies are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view.

* All records or minutes from meetings that I, or my Vice-president, attended regarding public energy policy are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public review."

RECORDS SET

- The only president ever impeached on grounds of personal malfeasance
- Most number of convictions and guilty pleas by friends and associates*
- Most number of cabinet officials to come under criminal investigation
- Most number of witnesses to flee country or refuse to testify
- Most number of witnesses to die suddenly
- First president sued for sexual harassment.
- First president accused of rape.
- First first lady to come under criminal investigation
- Largest criminal plea agreement in an illegal campaign contribution case
- First president to establish a legal defense fund.
- First president to be held in contempt of court
- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions
- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions from abroad

* According to our best information, 40 government officials were indicted or convicted in the wake of Watergate. A reader computes that there was a total of 31 Reagan era convictions, including 14 because of Iran-Contra and 16 in the Department of Housing & Urban Development scandal. 47 individuals and businesses associated with the Clinton machine were convicted of or pleaded guilty to crimes with 33 of these occurring during the Clinton administration itself. There were in addition 61 indictments or misdemeanor charges. 14 persons were imprisoned. A key difference between the Clinton story and earlier ones was the number of criminals with whom he was associated before entering the White House.

Using a far looser standard that included resignations, David R. Simon and D. Stanley Eitzen in Elite Deviance, say that 138 appointees of the Reagan administration either resigned under an ethical cloud or were criminally indicted. Curiously Haynes Johnson uses the same figure but with a different standard in "Sleep-Walking Through History: America in the Reagan Years: "By the end of his term, 138 administration officials had been convicted, had been indicted, or had been the subject of official investigations for official misconduct and/or criminal violations. In terms of number of officials involved, the record of his administration was the worst ever."

STARR-RAY INVESTIGATION

- Number of Starr-Ray investigation convictions or guilty pleas to date (including one governor, one associate attorney general and two Clinton business partners): 14
- Number of Clinton Cabinet members who came under criminal investigation: 5
- Number of Reagan cabinet members who came under criminal investigation: 4
- Number of top officials jailed in the Teapot Dome Scandal: 3

CRIME STATS

- Number of individuals and businesses associated with the Clinton machine who have been convicted of or pleaded guilty to crimes: 47
- Number of these convictions during Clinton's presidency: 33
- Number of indictments/misdemeanor charges: 61
- Number of congressional witnesses who have pleaded the Fifth Amendment, fled the country to avoid testifying, or (in the case of foreign witnesses) refused to be interviewed: 122

SMALTZ INVESTIGATION

- Guilty pleas and convictions obtained by Donald Smaltz in cases involving charges of bribery and fraud against former Agriculture Secretary Mike Espy and associated individuals and businesses: 15
- Acquitted or overturned cases (including Espy): 6
- Fines and penalties assessed: $11.5 million
- Amount Tyson Food paid in fines and court costs: $6 million

CLINTON MACHINE CRIMES
FOR WHICH CONVICTIONS
HAVE BEEN OBTAINED

Drug trafficking (3), racketeering, extortion, bribery (4), tax evasion, kickbacks, embezzlement (2), fraud (12), conspiracy (5), fraudulent loans, illegal gifts (1), illegal campaign contributions (5), money laundering (6), perjury, obstruction of justice.

OTHER MATTERS INVESTIGATED BY SPECIAL PROSECUTORS
AND CONGRESS, OR REPORTED IN THE MEDIA

Bank and mail fraud, violations of campaign finance laws, illegal foreign campaign funding, improper exports of sensitive technology, physical violence and threats of violence, solicitation of perjury, intimidation of witnesses, bribery of witnesses, attempted intimidation of prosecutors, perjury before congressional committees, lying in statements to federal investigators and regulatory officials, flight of witnesses, obstruction of justice, bribery of cabinet members, real estate fraud, tax fraud, drug trafficking, failure to investigate drug trafficking, bribery of state officials, use of state police for personal purposes, exchange of promotions or benefits for sexual favors, using state police to provide false court testimony, laundering of drug money through a state agency, false reports by medical examiners and others investigating suspicious deaths, the firing of the RTC and FBI director when these agencies were investigating Clinton and his associates, failure to conduct autopsies in suspicious deaths, providing jobs in return for silence by witnesses, drug abuse, improper acquisition and use of 900 FBI files, improper futures trading, murder, sexual abuse of employees, false testimony before a federal judge, shredding of documents, withholding and concealment of subpoenaed documents, fabricated charges against (and improper firing of) White House employees, inviting drug traffickers, foreign agents and participants in organized crime to the White House.

ARKANSAS ALZHEIMER'S

Number of times that Clinton figures who testified in court or before Congress said that they didn't remember, didn't know, or something similar.

Bill Kennedy 116
Harold Ickes 148
Ricki Seidman 160
Bruce Lindsey 161
Bill Burton 191
Mark Gearan 221
Mack McLarty 233
Neil Egglseston 250
Hillary Clinton 250
John Podesta 264
Jennifer O'Connor 343
Dwight Holton 348
Patsy Thomasson 420
Jeff Eller 697

FROM THE WASHINGTON TIMES: In the portions of President Clinton's Jan. 17 deposition that have been made public in the Paula Jones case, his memory failed him 267 times. This is a list of his answers and how many times he gave each one.

I don't remember - 71
I don't know - 62
I'm not sure - 17
I have no idea - 10
I don't believe so - 9
I don't recall - 8
I don't think so - 8
I don't have any specific recollection - 6
I have no recollection - 4
Not to my knowledge - 4
I just don't remember - 4
I don't believe - 4
I have no specific recollection - 3
I might have - 3
I don't have any recollection of that - 2 I don't have a specific memory - 2
I don't have any memory of that - 2
I just can't say - 2
I have no direct knowledge of that - 2
I don't have any idea - 2
Not that I recall - 2
I don't believe I did - 2
I can't remember - 2
I can't say - 2
I do not remember doing so - 2
Not that I remember - 2
I'm not aware - 1
I honestly don't know - 1
I don't believe that I did - 1
I'm fairly sure - 1
I have no other recollection - 1
I'm not positive - 1
I certainly don't think so - 1
I don't really remember - 1
I would have no way of remembering that - 1
That's what I believe happened - 1
To my knowledge, no - 1
To the best of my knowledge - 1
To the best of my memory - 1
I honestly don't recall - 1
I honestly don't remember - 1
That's all I know - 1
I don't have an independent recollection of that - 1
I don't actually have an independent memory of that - 1
As far as I know - 1
I don't believe I ever did that - 1
That's all I know about that - 1
I'm just not sure - 1
Nothing that I remember - 1
I simply don't know - 1
I would have no idea - 1
I don't know anything about that - 1
I don't have any direct knowledge of that - 1
I just don't know - 1
I really don't know - 1
I can't deny that, I just -- I have no memory of that at all - 1

THE CLINTON LEGACY:
LONELY HONOR

Here are some of the all too rare public officials, reporters, and others who spoke truth to the dismally corrupt power of Bill and Hill Clinton's political machine -- some at risk to their careers, others at risk to their lives. A few points to note:

- Those corporatist media reporters who attempted to report the story often found themselves muzzled; some even lost their jobs. The only major dailies that consistently handled the story well were the Wall Street Journal and the Washington Times.

- Nobody on this list has gotten rich and many you may not have even heard of. Taking on the Clintons typically has not been a happy or rewarding experience. At least ten reporters have been fired, transferred off their beats, resigned, or otherwise gotten into trouble because of their work on the scandals. Whistleblowing is even less appreciated within the government. One study of whistleblowers found that 232 out of 233 them reported suffering retaliation; another study found reprisals in about 95% of cases.

- Contrary to the popular impression, the politics of those listed ranges from the left to the right, and from the ideological to the independent.

- We have not included victims of the Clinton machine, some of whom have acted with considerable danger and at considerable risk to themselves. They will be included on a later list.
PUBLIC OFFICIALS

MIGUEL RODRIGUEZ was a prosecutor on the staff of Kenneth Starr. His attempts to uncover the truth in the Vincent Foster death case were repeatedly foiled and he was the subject of planted stories undermining his credibility and implying that he was unstable. Rodriguez eventually resigned.

JEAN DUFFEY: Head of a joint federal-county drug task force in Arkansas. Her first instructions from her boss: "Jean, you are not to use the drug task force to investigate any public official." Duffey's work, however, led deep into the heart of the Dixie Mafia, including members of the Clinton machine and the investigation of the so-called "train deaths." Ambrose Evans-Pritchard reports that when she produced a star witness who could testify to Clinton's involvement with cocaine, the local prosecuting attorney, Dan Harmon issued a subpoena for all the task force records, including "the incriminating files on his own activities. If Duffey had complied it would have exposed 30 witnesses and her confidential informants to violent retributions. She refused." Harmon issued a warrant for her arrest and friendly cops told her that there was a $50,000 price on her head. She eventually fled to Texas. The once-untouchable Harmon was later convicted of racketeering, extortion and drug dealing.

BILL DUNCAN: An IRS investigator in Arkansas who drafted some 30 federal indictments of Arkansas figures on money laundering and other charges. Clinton biographer Roger Morris quotes a source who reviewed the evidence: "Those indictments were a real slam dunk if there ever was one." The cases were suppressed, many in the name of "national security." Duncan was never called to testify. Other IRS agents and state police disavowed Duncan and turned on him. Said one source, "Somebody outside ordered it shut down and the walls went up."

RUSSELL WELCH: An Arkansas state police detective working with Duncan. Welch developed a 35-volume, 3,000 page archive on drug and money laundering operations at Mena. His investigation was so compromised that a high state police official even let one of the targets of the probe look through the file. At one point, Welch was sprayed in the face with poison, later identified by the Center for Disease Control as anthrax. He would write in his diary, "I feel like I live in Russia, waiting for the secret police to pounce down. A government has gotten out of control. Men find themselves in positions of power and suddenly crimes become legal." Welch is no longer with the state police.

DAN SMALTZ: Smaltz did an outstanding job investigating and prosecuting charges involving illegal payoffs to Agriculture Secretary Mike Espy, yet was treated with disparaging and highly inaccurate reporting by the likes of the David Broder and the NY Times. Espy was acquitted under a law that made it necessary to not only prove that he accepted gratuities but that he did something specific in return. On the other hand, Tyson Foods copped a plea in the same case, paying $6 million in fines and serving four years' probation. The charge: that Tyson had illegally offered Espy $12,000 in airplane rides, football tickets and other payoffs. In the Espy investigation, Smaltz obtained 15 convictions and collected over $11 million in fines and civil penalties. Offenses for which convictions were obtained included false statements, concealing money from prohibited sources, illegal gratuities, illegal contributions, falsifying records, interstate transportation of stolen property, money laundering, and illegal receipt of USDA subsidies. Incidentally, Janet Reno blocked Smaltz from pursuing leads aimed at allegations of major drug trafficking in Arkansas and payoffs to the then governor of the state, WJ Clinton. Espy had become Ag secretary only after being flown to Arkansas to get the approval of chicken king Don Tyson.

DAVID SCHIPPERS, was House impeachment counsel and a Chicago Democrat. He did a highly creditable job but since he didn't fit the right-wing conspiracy theory, the Clintonista media downplayed his work. Thus most Americans don't know that he told NewsMax, "Let me tell you, if we had a chance to put on a case, I would have put live witnesses before the committee. But the House leadership, and I'm not talking about Henry Hyde, they just killed us as far as time was concerned. I begged them to let me take it into this year. Then I screamed for witnesses before the Senate. But there was nothing anybody could do to get those Senators to show any courage. They told us essentially, you're not going to get 67 votes so why are you wasting our time." Schippers also said that while a number of representatives looked at additional evidence kept under seal in a nearby House building, not a single senator did.

JOHN CLARKE: When Patrick Knowlton stopped to relieve himself in Ft. Marcy Park 70 minutes before the discovery of Vince Foster's body, he saw things that got him into deep trouble. His interview statements were falsified and prior to testifying he claims he was overtly harassed by more than a score of men in a classic witness intimidation technique. In some cases there were witnesses. John Clarke has been his dogged lawyer in the witness intimidation case that has been largely ignored by the media, even when the three-judge panel overseeing the Starr investigation permitted Knowlton to append a 20 page addendum to the Starr Report.

OTHER

THE ARKANSAS COMMITTEE: What would later be known as the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy actually began on the left - as a group of progressive students at the University of Arkansas formed the Arkansas Committee to look into Mena, drugs, money laundering, and Arkansas politics. This committee was the source of some of the important early Clinton stories including those published in the Progressive Review.

CLINTON ADMINISTRATION SCANDALS E-LIST: Moderated by Ray Heizer, this list has been subject to all the idiosyncrasies of Internet bulletin boards, but it has nonetheless proved invaluable to researchers and journalists.

JOURNALISTS

JERRY SEPER of the Washington Times was far and away the best beat reporter of the story, handling it week after week in the best tradition of investigative journalism. If other reporters had followed Seper's lead, the history of the Clintons machine might have been quite different.

AMBROSE EVANS-PRITCHARD of the London Telegraph did a remarkable job of digging into some of the seamiest tales from Arkansas and the Clinton past. Other early arrivals on the scene were Alexander Cockburn and Jeff Gerth.

CHRISTOPHER RUDDY, among other fine reports on the Clinton scandals, did the best job laying out the facts in the Vince Foster death case.

ROGER MORRIS AND SALLY DENTON wrote a major expose of events at Mena, but at the last moment the Washington Post's brass ordered the story killed. It was published by Penthouse and later included in Morris' "Partners in Power," the best biography of the Clintons.

OTHERS who helped get parts of the story out included reporters Philip Weiss, Carl Limbacher, Wes Phelan, David Bresnahan, William Sammon, Liza Myers, Mara Leveritt, Matt Drudge, Jim Ridgeway, Nat Hentoff, Michael Isikoff, Christopher Hitchens, and Michael Kelly. Also independent investigator Hugh Sprunt and former White House FBI agent Gary Aldrich.

Sam Smith of the Progressive Review wrote the first book (Shadows of Hope, University of Indiana Press, 1994) deconstructing the Clinton myth and the Review developed a major database on the topic.

The Clintons, to adapt a line from Dr. Johnson, were not only corrupt, they were the cause of corruption in others. Seldom in America have so many come to excuse so much mendacity and malfeasance as during the Clinton years. These rare exceptions cited above, and others unmentioned, deserve our deep thanks.

THE CLINTON LEGACY
The Hidden Election

USA Today calls it "the hidden election," in which nearly 7,000 state legislative seats are decided with only minimal media and public attention. The paper took brief notice because this is the year the state legislatures perform their most important national function: drawing revised congressional districts based on the most recent census.

But there's another important national story here: further evidence of the disaster that Bill Clinton has been for the Democratic Party. According to the National Conference of State Legislatures, Democrats held a 1,542 seat lead in the state bodies in 1990. As of last November that lead had shrunk to 288. That's a loss of over 1,200 state legislative seats, nearly all of them under Clinton. Across the US, the Democrats control only 65 more state senate seats than the Republicans.

Further, in 1992, the Democrats controlled 17 more state legislatures than the Republicans. After November, the Republicans control one more than the Democrats. Not only is this a loss of 9 legislatures under Clinton, but it is the first time since 1954 that the GOP has controlled more state legislatures than the Democrats (they tied in 1968).

Here's what happened to the Democrats under Clinton, based on our latest figures:

- GOP seats gained in House since Clinton became president: 48
- GOP seats gained in Senate since Clinton became president: 8
- GOP governorships gained since Clinton became president: 11
- GOP state legislative seats gained since Clinton became president: 1,254
as of 1998
- State legislatures taken over by GOP since Clinton became president: 9
- Democrat officeholders who have become Republicans since Clinton became
president: 439 as of 1998
- Republican officeholders who have become Democrats since Clinton became president: 3

Richie "The Right Wing Kook" Rich

Even if they are independent candidates or what-not, REMOVE the DLC from power and RECALL the complicit democrats and republicans.

Doug Wallace has a lawsuit against them people!!!!!

GET UP AND KNOCK DOWN, DRAG YOUR LEADERS INTO THE FIGHT!

http://www.dougwallace.com

Doug

I said to Scott I was going to mail $25 to Doug Wallace's Founders Freedom Defense Fund ... I mailed $30 instead! It felt so good to mail it off , like I am actually DOING something constructive to stop the PNAC :-) !!!

http://www.politicalfriendster.com/showConnection.php?id1=2269&id2=179

Can Bush be ousted? Yes. Can his policies be discredited? Yes. Can his cronies be indicted? Yes.

But, don't wait for politicians, polls or pundits for permission. It can happen today. We, the People, could throw them out by massive civil disobedience. Remember how the Russians got rid of the Communists (hint: they did it without Ronald Reagan). Is that likely? It doesn't seem so. There seems to be too many people wedded to politicians (But, I've always voted ________.). There are too many people watching the polling (When my neighbors march, I will.). And, way too many watching the pundits (O'Reilly and Hannitty are against; I must be wrong. Besides, I never hear about impeachment on CNN or NPR.). Besides, they think they have better things to do.

We all have easier things to do surely; but better, no. Unfortunately, I do doubt there will be mass demonstration. People don't even like me saying the word impeachment. They are afraid of it. So what to do?

The demonstration option is closed off, what about an electoral option? How about not waiting for the Democratic politicians to do anything. In 2006 and beyond just vote your self interest. Don't vote theirs. And if there are no candidates that you can enthusiastically vote for--DON'T. Write in None of The Above instead. If a significant minority of NOTA voters existed, not the winner, but the loser of an election would bedevil himself with questions: What did I not say? All those votes. I could've had them and I would've won. What did they want? Imagine if all the pro-peace voters had voted NOTA instead of voting for Kerry in 2004. Kerry would have lost because Bush stole the 2000 election and he was sure to steel the 2004 election. But, with a significant minority of NOTA voters; G.W. wouldn't have been able to claim a mandate for war. As it was, G.W. was able to say that everyone that voted for him voted for war and everyone who voted for Kerry also voted for war. The result: the Democratic leadership keeps, not drifting, but pathetically paddling to the right. They are sinking and they are paddling in the wrong direction.

So, if you want the Democrats to win; vote your self interest and not someone else's. If you don't like what they are selling--don't buy it. Vote NOTA. And tell those paddling Democrats to turn around.

Sorry, Robert, but I think you've missed the point entirely. Either you haven't been paying close enough attention, or you've allowed your own analytical capabilities to be overwhelmed by wishful thinking.

The central issue is not whether George W Bush can be ousted. The issue is whether a badly screwed up U.S. system of governance can be fixed simply by more repetitions of the current duopoly electoral process, or whether it requires a more radical approach. Some simple justice for the perpetrators (i.e., beyond comfortable retirement) is also an issue, but probably a secondary one from the perspective of the U.S. electorate and its long-term wellbeing.

Despicable as he undoubtedly is, Bush is just a figurehead -- a mere symptom of a much deeper problem -- and, one way or another, he'll be gone anyhow in a couple of years. But replacing one political facade with another does nothing about the underlying systemic problems so long as both parties are subservient to the same interests overriding the popular will.

(The anyone but _____ (fill in the blank) approach has already been tried and the results were, to put it mildly, less than satisfactory.)

Unfortunately, many Americans still see the current situation and its solution in terms of party politics. That's the way they want you to see it. In fact, it's just another aspect of the inculcated drivel that passes for "education" and "information" in America today. Its aim is to persuade ordinary citizens that they actually live in the greatest "free and democratic" country on earth and thus to disuade them from any more drastic corrective measures that might inconvenience the real power structure.

Sadly, you, like so many others, have fallen into the baited trap. Until there is a much deeper understanding of the actual systemic problems, they will never be overcome by wishful thinking and endless repetitions of the same tired "answers".

I would have to agree more with Avry, that you are a bit out of touch with the 'word on the street' Robert.

Word has it (word on the street), is that a number of people are tapping into the more solid undercurrent of American politics, maybe even a 'rebirth'. If anything, maybe a reconnection with humanity, law, and trying to "learn a few things about the way the world works". The deplorable situation of American education and intellect IS known by a smallish number of Americans. They understand that this has played a major role in the ability of the Administration to get away with things that an otherwise more discerning populous would simply not allow (like foreign Invasions or torture).

The climate is of the utmost seriousness, and palpable by a swiftly growing number of people. At least by those who do understand, that the worlds opinion of America has more than completely reversed from what it was just after 9.11.

The questions as to how this came about are simple, yet the solutions might not arrive so 'easily':

What were three of the most egregious motions by America in this four year reversal of world opinion about her?

1) Not maintaining a pursuit of OBL, or at least trying him in absentia, and presenting evidence through a respectable public court?
2) Illegal invasion of Iraq, and rewriting strategic nuclear doctrine?
3) Burning the Constitution, the Geneva Convention, and the Nuremberg Principles?

Any single of these would be grounds enough for silly Impeachment, however when combined, We have clearly moved beyond the pail of sanity.

As rebuilding is always vastly more difficult than destruction, what solutions/actions can be reasonably considered now?

1) Ignoring the psychotic members of this Administration (to cut them off from funding, 100%), and subsequently reengaging world diplomacy from scratch?
2) Bloodless 'Velvet Revolution' of sorts, with pardons for those governance participants who quietly 'step aside'.
3) Or bloody conflict to dislodge a criminal Executive. (an utterly messy kind of business, and solely the choice of those tenuously entrenched)

There is absolutely no doubt in the mind of this author, that formal governance, is engaged is some kind of massive back room gang-bang with Corporate Structure. The corporate structure is clearly a vast and influential participant. Yet should We the People succeed in only removing the 'adulterer' (the current manifestation of U.S. governance), this orgy, manifesting the worst of capitalism (death, destruction, and greed) might be stymied from birthing a larger torrent of their bastards.

These are some of the ongoing activities here...

Erin Sebastian Myers

To be honest, I think there is critical mass enough to oust the Republicans. I think on a level playing field, Gore would have won in 2000 and Kerry in 2004. Whereas propaganda played a role, the main problem was the tactical deployment of e-voting machines _known_ to contain flaws that allow remote manipulation of the counts. In 2000, all they needed was Florida and on cue, e-voting was introduced in Florida. 2004 the GOP saw problens in Ohio as well and sure enough, the pilot program was extended to that region. Of course this was done in concert with traditional means of voter fraud and no small amount of help from the Supreme Court.

My point is this: unless we, the nation, make honest vote tabulation the hightest priority, we've lost. Power will be transfered from one temp dictator to the next until Patriot Act IX is passed which ordains George Bush III President in perpetuity.

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