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Kucinich's Resolution Survives Tabling Attempt, Is Referred to Committee


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Eighty-six Congress Members showed a level of support for impeachment today by voting against tabling Congressman Kucinich's resolution. That indicates the strength of constituent pressure in opposition to the leadership's position. The resolution is back in the same committee but with more momentum now. The media is more aware. The public is more aware. Congressman Kucinich is fired up and ready to introduce new resolutions on both Cheney and Bush. Congress heard from the public in massive numbers - the phones on the hill were jammed. And the public is energized. The intense lobbying that a day like this one inspires may combine with the polling results to begin to open the Democratic leadership's eyes to the electoral danger of not backing impeachment. I think we should urge all the talk shows to give the Republicans the impeachment debate they wanted.

4:41 The motion to send it to the Judiciary Committee passed with only about 5 Dems voting No and 3 Republicans voting Yes. Presumably the 86 Dems who voted No on tabling believed that to be enough to appease their constituents, while 5 Dems actually had integrity enough to put the Constitution ahead of Pelosi and Hoyer. There was no discussion of a time limit for the Judiciary Committee to report back (even though there are precedents for insisting on one with impeachment resolutions). This bill has, of course, ALREADY been in the Judiciary Committee for months, and that committee has done nothing with it.

You'd think if offense (rather than defense) ever entered Pelosi and Hoyer's heads, they'd want to put an hour of Cheney-bashing debate on TV. But they want at all costs to avoid impeachment, and you can't debate the substance of the charges against Cheney without making an obvious case for impeachment.

Roll call. These 5 Dems voted right: Filner, Kaptur, Kucinich, Waters, Towns.

4:19 p.m. There is now a 5-min vote underway on whether to refer to the House Judiciary Committee.

4:18 p.m. The procedural vote passed just barely (218-194). Of the 218, 3 were Republicans.

Roll call. These 5 Dems voted right: Filner, Kaptur, Kucinich, Waters, Watson.

4:14 p.m. The motion to table having failed, Hoyer moved to refer the resolution to the House Judiciary Committee. Kucinich tried to avoid that and get a vote on the resolution, but - unable to do that - asked for a vote on the decision to refer to committee. Hoyer withdrew his motion and then unwithdrew his motion. Boehner asked for 40 minutes of debate. Serrano as chair seemed clueless for a while, and then ordered a procedural vote on whether to vote on sending to committee. If this new 15-min vote passes, then they will vote on whether to send to committee.

4:02 p.m. Over an hour into this 15 min vote, 78 Dems are voting Nay on tabling, joined by 164 Republicans in an apparent stunt to surprise the Dems and bring the issue to the floor -- which the Republicans will regret if the Democrats actually debate it and debate it well (admittedly a remote possibility). They will say over and over and over that this has divided the Democrats. Not outside the Beltway it hasn't. Over 3/4 of Dems want Cheney impeached.

Currently 142 Dems to table, 78 not to [or was it 84??], 13 not voting; 28 Repubs to table, 164 not to, and 9 not voting. Most of the Republicans switched their votes, and for some reason the leadership kept the vote open for over an hour, allowing them to do so. No doubt the Republicans want to get the Dem leaders on tape on the floor defending Cheney against impeachment. But how smart is it of them to allow the topic to gain attention? The evidence, after all, is overwhelming that Cheney has committed impeachable offenses.

Roll call. It turns out 86 Democrats voted the right way:

Abercrombie, Allen, Baca, Baldwin, Braley (IA), Capps, Capuano, Clarke, Clay, Cleaver, Cohen, Conyers, Crowley, Cummings, Davis (IL), DeFazio, Dicks, Doggett, Doyle, Ellison, Farr, Filner, Green, Al; Green, Gene; Grijalva, Gutierrez, Hare, Hinchey, Hirono, Hodes, Holt, Honda, Hooley, Inslee, Jackson (IL), Jackson-Lee (TX), Johnson (GA), Jones (OH), Kanjorski, Kaptur, Kilpatrick, Kucinich, Lee, Lewis (GA), Loebsack, Maloney (NY), McCollum (MN), McDermott, Meeks (NY), Michaud, Miller (NC), Moore (WI), Moran (VA), Napolitano, Ortiz, Pallone, Pascrell, Perlmutter, Price (NC), Rangel, Richardson, Roybal-Allard, Rush, Schakowsky, Scott (VA), Serrano, Shea-Porter, Sherman, Slaughter, Solis, Stark, Stupak, Sutton, Thompson (CA), Tierney, Towns, Velázquez, Waters, Watson, Watt, Weiner, Welch (VT), Wexler, Woolsey, Wu, Wynn

There's a lot of overlap between the above list and the list of cosponsors in 2005 of H Res 635. These are congress members with medium grade willingness to put their constituents ahead of Pelosi and Hoyer.

As Linda Boyd points out, several members of the Judiciary Committee who are not cosponsors of H Res 333 voted against tabling: Conyers, Scott, Watt, Wexler, Gutierrez, Sherman, Weiner, Davis.

And 65 Democrats who are not cosponsors of H Res 333 voted against tabling: Abercrombie, Allen, Baca, Braley, Capps, Capuano, CONYERS, Crowley, Cummings, DeFazio, Dicks, Doggett, Doyle, Al Green, Gene, Grijalva, Gutierrez, Hare, Hinchey, Hirono, Hodes, Holt, Honda, Hooley, Inslee, Jackson (IL), Jones (OH), Kanjorski, Kapptur, Lewis (GA), Loebsack, Maloney, mcCollum, Meeks, Michaud, Miller (NC), Moore (WI), Napolitano, Ortiz, Pallone, Pascrell, Perlmutter, Price, Rangel, RICHARDSON, Roybal-Allard, Rush, Scott, Serrano, Shea-Porter, Sherman, Slaughter, Solis, Stark, Stupak, Sutton, thompson, Tierney, Towns, Valazquez, Watt, Weiner, Welch, Wexler, Wu.

2:54 p.m. Hoyer moves to table.
Kucinich asks for Yays and Nays.
15 minute recorded vote begins.
C-Span quotes sentence from Tribune with lie about impeachment dividing the Dems' base.
C-Span brings on Sabrina Eaton from the Plain Dealer to talk some more trash.

http://www.c-span.org

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How did the vote turn out? Let us know ASAP!

Looks like 248 against and going down. At this point more Repugs have voted not to table that Dems!

Loyalty to the Constitution!

The Big Three? Blech!

Lowering as we speak.

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I'm unsure what the Democratic Leadership are thinking... This is on the motion to Table (or Kill) the Resolution

Current Totals as of 2:37 Central:

YEA NEA
Democrats 151 69
Republicans 75 117

TOTAL 226 188

The Big Three? Blech!

H. Res. 333

281 voted to table (kill) the bill.
(D-148, R-133)

124 voted against.
(D-66, R-58)

there are MORE republicans right now voting against tabling than democrats!

They're now the ones who are pressing for Impeachment...

On tabling motion -

YEA NEA
148 72 DEMS
56 135 REPUB

I know. Here are my (edited) notes taken as I watched. (I think I got the numbers right)

Watching the changing numbers - This is almost funny! Like watching a sports match.

Kucinich introduced his resolution (HB 333) for Impeachment. Democrat Hoyers motioned to Table (kill) the resolution. Chair says the Voiced Yaes have it, the result is to Table. Kucinich asks for a recorded count of Yeas/Nays. 15 minutes are given for all to vote. Everyone starts to stream in to do the required vote and we get to watch the digital ups and downs. The time went way over 15 minutes, to about an hour and 10 minutes.

At first the Republicans and Dems both start voting mostly Yea (to table). A couple Dems say Nay. Gradually the numbers build with the Rep's in the lead for Yea, but both going that direction. At the peak of Republicans Yea-vote, they have 152 Yeas to only 26 Nays. Dems had 127 Yeas and 56 Nays at the time. It looked like it would be a definite "table", with R's dominating the trend.

Then the R's seemed to have a change of strategy and their numbers wavered and started to reverse. The D's continued in their proportions with an eventual high of 158 Yeas and 67 Nays.

But as the R's started to drop Yeas and increase Nays, a few D's seemed to waver or back-peddle, switching from Nay to Yea.

For over half an hour the R's kept dropping Yeas, down down down and eventually by the end of the vote dropped to 28; their Nays climbed to 164 --pretty much the reverse of their original peak profile. Eventually D's stabilized at 142 Yeas to 78 Nays for over 10 minutes. At the last moment, perhaps in an effort to gain a little dignity since it was apparent the Nays would have it, and the resolution would not be tabled after all, some Dems started to migrate from Yea to Nay, but the voting was called to a close a minute or so after that trend started, and the D's ended with 135 Yeas and 86 Nays. R's had 28 Yeas and 164 Nays.

Immediately after this result Hoyer again made a motion, this time to send the bill to the Judiciary Committee (just get this bill out of sight). Again, Kucinich asked for a recorded count. R's voted almost all against, and Dem's voted almost all for. Yeas won and it is now in the hands of the Judiciary Committee.

The Repubs are changing their minds becuz they are getting all the calls...call those STUBBORN DEMS TOO!!!

The Big Three? Blech!

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Phone calls have nothing to do with it. The Republicans are essentially saying, "You wanna have a debate on impeachment? Fine. Let's have the debate on impeachment!"

The republicans know that if impeachment goes to the floor it won't pass, and it will be an embarrassment to the democrats. That's the only reason they want the bill to stay alive.

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Thanks for the idea, AlabamaYellerDawg! I just did the same!

The Republicans are switching their votes to Nay. A few Democrats are, but not many.
Wow, it sure didn't start off that way.

Right now - 241 to 170 in FAVOR of NOT tabling!!!!!There was a lot of switching going on and a 15 minute vote turned into an hour long vote....Looks like the Republicans have a new strategy.....

kill it with an overall vote.

The Big Three? Blech!

Crucify the Dems in the media....

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Horse trading looks to be over.

The Big Three? Blech!

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they are going to have 3 more of these votes to table?

Go Kucinich '08! kucinich.us

if it gets all the way to an impeachment vote.

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Keep updating us. This is great!!!

Sounds like 2 votes for this.

The Big Three? Blech!

Except now that's getting voted on, too. Kucinich is apparently more interested in having a debate, however brief, than in necessarily getting H.Res.333 to languish in the Judiciary Cmte. As I understood his q, and the answer from the chair, if the referral to Cmte. fails, there will be a debate, 40 mins to a side. Wonder who'll get up with Kucinich to debate the pro's of H.Res.333.

Also wonder why the GOP and Boehner did this -- it was clearly a tactic, they were a majority for tabling for a long time, then started unspooling that until there was an insurmountable majority against tabling. I guess they think this will embarrass Dems; I wonder whether prime time Cheney bashing is good thinking on Boehner's part.

Go Kucinich '08! kucinich.us

Woohoo! Woohoo! Woohoo!

This has made my day! I have waiting for some real good news for the longest time, and this is it!

We need to keep calling our reps and tell them we want them to follow through with this !!!!!!

they could debate this on the floor and "embarrass" the dems with this "ridiculous" resolution. Doesn't matter, now it's not dead!!

Go Kucinich '08! kucinich.us

Nays win, then there's debate and and an actual vote on impeachment.

The Big Three? Blech!

The Big Three? Blech!

C-SPAN with a quote from Conyers - Conyers saying it would be bad for Pelosi to move on impeachment because it would split the party.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&add...

Conyers looks like he's gonna let it die in committee.

The Big Three? Blech!

What did you mean by Nays win? Do you mean nays to Table The Bill won, and now there will be a debate? If so when is the debate to take place? What does it mean for it to be referred to a committee (is this the same as the debate)?

A nay vote was a vote to continue the process (pro-impeachment) and the nays won. The second vote was a procedural vote, and the third vote to send to committee was a no to continue, but the yeas won and it'll not be persued (unless a sub-committee chair decides he has some spine).

The Big Three? Blech!

How did the 5-minute vote go? Will it get referred into the House Judiciary Committee? What does that mean now?

Not suprised really, but did not even see a splash of any of this online at Yahoo, MSN, Google, or other MSM news.

Guess it is not that important...

Yea right.

I just found this article deep in the back pages of USA Today;

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2007-11-06-cheney-impeachment_N.htm

Update: CNN has this on their 'Political Ticker' - of course, it doesn't accurately report what actually happened today. The byline is: Third time's not the charm for Kucinich.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/

This is your chance Conyers!

IMPEACH REMOVE INDICT ARREST!!!!

Kucinich...you are the hero of the century!

Save the Constitution...Stop the Wars...Impeach the War Criminals!!

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