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Barbara Boxer: Impeachment "Should Be On The Table. This Is As Close As We've Ever Come To A Dictatorship"

Here's Barbara Boxer on the Ed Schultz Show yesterday. Though she wimped out a bit at the end, she was mostly strong on the necessity of considering impeachment.

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SCHULTZ: They're throwing down the gauntlet. They're just declaring that they're not going to change anything -- the President in Cleveland yesterday saying, we're just getting started. So in the meantime, the frustration of the American people continues to build, and I have to tell you Senator, I'm not trying to rope you into a conversation one way or another or where you're at on this, but I want to say this for our listeners: they want impeachment put back on the table. They want impeachment on the table as a bargaining chip. Because for instance, Scooter Libby, commuting the sentence, what happened today with Sarah Taylor saying she'd been instructed by the president not to say anything, Alberto Gonzales, the story today about how he was briefed over the Patriot Act and then lied a week later in front of the Senate Intelligence Committee. I mean, when is enough is enough?

BOXER: Yeah. I mean, you left out a bunch of things -- spying on citizens without a warrant, going around FISA, on and on. Look, I have always said it should be on the table. Ed, I've always said it. I was on a book tour and I ran into John Dean of Watergate fame. He was on the book tour that I was on, for his book. And it was right after we discovered that the administration was spying on our people without a warrant. And he just said, he looked at me and basically just said, as far as he could see, unless there was some explanation for this, this was impeachable. I've always said that you need to keep it on the table, and you need to look at these things, because now people are dying because of this administration. That's the truth. And they won't change course. They are ignoring the Congress. They keep signing these signing statements which mean that he's decided not to enforce the law. This is as close as we've ever come to a dictatorship. When you have a situation where Congress is stepped on, that means the American people are stepped on. So I don't think you can take anything off the table. Because in fact the Constitution doesn't permit us to take these things off the table.

SCHULTZ: Would you counsel Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid to put it on the table and make a statement before everybody goes home in August. Because they're going to get an earful from the American people when they go home.

BOXER: Well, I don't presume to tell people what to do. I have made my statements. And of course if asked I will say. I've been out there, I'm out here again today. I think, John Conyers is -- this is where impeachment starts. When Alberto Gonzales, when it came out that he fired these U.S. attorneys, that it was politics being played with it, I thought then that we should look into impeachment hearings. So I don't think it should be taken off the table.

On the other hand, we've got a war to end. We've got things that we've got to keep on doing. So if we do this right, we should give it to the appropriate committees, let them do the hard work that it entails, but we have to do something about health insurance. We have to do something about global warming. We have to end this war. We have to do something about education. And all these other things. About the budget deficit. You have to walk and chew gum at the same. And I know Nancy's point was, we have to reverse about seven years of this horrific administration's policies, and she's fearful of losing steam on that, in that regard.

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She's great. She kicked ass in SICKO, too.

I wouldn't call it wimping out in the end, although she could have phrased in differently - the fact is that Congress CAN walk and chew gum at the same time. Most of the work, the fact finding, etc., would be done by one committee. Congressional Quarterly's 93rd Congress edition says that that Congress, in spite of impeachment, Watergate, etc., enacted "an impressive array of laws," including things like the War Powers Act, the Congressional Budget Act, ERISA, etc. Impeachment would bring us back to first principles. The ensuing discussion would be energizing. It would be a tonic against the malaise and cyncism that engulfs us. It would get people READING the CONSTITUTION and talking about it.

... For Impeachment, you know something is wrong in the House.


is not just "wimpy", it is treasonous.


Impeach the lot of them. Put them on trial for war crimes. They are responsible for 911 and now today they are trying to tell us all that another one is coming. What is it going to take for this country to wake up and start acting like grown ups.

The eleventh day of every month get out there and scream the truth!!!


Quit wasting your time with these staged impeachment proceedings you idiots! They would like nothing better than to pump that show into your living room for the next 8-9 months while the real business goes on undetected such as the North American Union and 9-11 which BOTH parties are behind. Instead of wasting your time impeaching people, QUIT ELECTING THEM INTO OFFICE WITH THE BELIEF THAT ONE PARY WILL COME TO THE RESCUE OF THE OTHER'S FOLLY! WAKE THE F UP!

Just how do you propose to do that? They ARE in office now!They control the votes...........
Ralph Nader isn't running this time, Kuchinich, is " unelectable" Mike Gravel, & Ron Paul are being made into cartoons.............................
Tar & Feathers anyone, how will that hold up against tasers & tanks on the South Lawn?
R U Cognizant

"And of course if asked I will say." Now there's a real leader.

She says this is as close as we've come to a dictatorship -- but she won't bother speaking up until spoken to. What the fuck is she, 3 years old?

I don't buy the idea that the Democrats are concerned about Bush's drive towards dictatorship. I received an e-mail from Boxer and all she could talk about was how much money is being raised.

In general, I like Barbara Boxer. But she's no leader -- at a time where the country is desperate for leadership.

During Sanctions Iraq Children had amputations without anaesthesia which was
banned or limited along with anti-biotics and chlorine which were needed to purify the
drinking water supply after we destroyed their sanitation infrastructure in the Gulf War.
Diarahea from polluted water, a wasting and killing disease in children under five, was
the main cause of the death of 500,000 Iraq children under five during sanctions
The Gulf War, 1991, 200,000 killed
The Sanctions, 1991 - 2003, 1,500,000 died
Iraqi Freedom 2003 - 2007, 650,000 killed
The Biggest Lie
Is that there have been three seprate wars,
Not One Conituous Iraq War lasting 17 years
and that the Bush 43 war is completely new and not a grotesque continuation of the Gulf War, when we
shot 200,000 retreating Iraq soldiers in the back and destroyed Iraq's electric ,sewrage, and water
treatment infrastructure. We then followed that massacre by thirteen years of sanctions and fly over
Most members of the U.N. wanted to stop the sanctions. Two U.N. sanctions managers (names of two)
resigned in protest because the U.N., under U.S. pressure would not allow Iraq the essential medicine,
and food needed for survival, allowing 500,000 children under five to die from lack of food and medicine
including chlorine and anaesthetics. .

Question for Dennis Halliday, Director of U.N. Sanctions ."In These Times: Why did you resign from your post?"
Denis Halliday: "The conditions in Iraq are appalling. Malnutrition is run-ning at about 30 percent for children under 5 years old. In
terms of mortality, probably 5 or 6 thousand children are dying per month. This is dsirectly attrib-utable to the impact of sanctions,
which have caused thebreakdown of the clean water system, health facilities and all the things that young children require. All of this
is just not accept-able. I don'twant to administer a program that results in these kind of figures. Sanctions are being sustained by
member states, knowing of this calamity."

1,500,000 Iraqis died under the U.N. Sanctions that Clinton refused to stop or modify. Altogether, over a
period of sixteen years, we have killed 2,200,000 Iraqis, 25% of them children under five. When does the
progressive community, the alternative, progressive and radical anti-war movements and media,
denounce the full guilt and shame of America for the 16 years of genocidal war against innocent Iraqis
and not pretend that Bush's most recent four year war is the only monstrous act we've committed against
the defenceless people of Iraq? (put in what Iraq was like before 1990)
Maybe pretending we've only been killing a innocent people for the last four years is more comfortable so
we don't have to face our sixteen years of silence. Besides, Clinton's a likeable guy. So's Bush's dad. We
wouldn't want these nice guys to be responsible for what they did. Let's blame it all on the dumb one.
Theres no way the cool and charismatic Clinton could have let hundreds of thousands of Iraqi children die
of diarrhea. He's too nice, kind, cute and funny to do something horrible like that.

Some Foresight from an Iraq Middle East Expert
“The people of England have been led in Mesopotamia into a trap from which it will be hard to escape with
dignity and honour. They have been tricked by a steady withholding of information. The Baghdad
communiques are belated, insincere, incomplete. Things have been far worse than we have been told, our
administration more bloody and inefficient than the public knows. It is a disgrace to our imperial record, and
may soon be too inflamed for any ordinary cure. We are today not too far from a disaster.”
-T.E. Lawrence (Lawrence of Arabia), Sunday Times of London, August 27, 1920

2003-04-- Johns Hopkins University Study finds—
More than 400,000 Iraqi Civilians Killed
(Les Roberts at Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, Baltimore, British Medical
Journal Lancet)
-President George W. Bush

“I just want you to know that, when we talk about war, we're really talking about peace.” George W. Bush

"We kill innocent Iraqi civilians all the time. That's the way it is. I believe they need to withdraw all foreign
military troops in Iraq right away. And I say this about other soldiers: to avoid punishment or reprisals by the
military, they don't want to talk and admit that killing terrorists is not our mission. It's to kill innocent
civilians. Near my base in the south of Baghdad, our whole platoon attacked a group of civilians engaged in
a peaceful demonstration. Why? Because we heard gunshots. It was a blood bath. The pretense that those
civilians were engaged in 'terrorist activities' didn't work for me. That's what our military intelligence wanted
us to believe. We killed more than 30 people. That was the first time that I had to face up to the horror that
my hands were soiled with the blood of civilians. We laid down cluster bombs on them. The people fled, and
when they arrived at the control points we had set up with armed convoys…” Jimmy Massey, US Marine (of
12 years), a sergeant with the Third Marine Battalion during the invasion, in the spring of 2003

“The generals love napalm. It has a big psychological effect.”
(James W. Crawley, Officials confirm dropping firebombs on Iraqi troops, San Diego Union-Tribune August 5, 2003)
Sanctions of Mass Destruction”
Phrase coined by Military Analysts, John Mueller and Karl Mueller

1991-98 Sanctions Kill 1.4 Million Iraqis—
500,000 Children Below the Age of Five Dead
starvation- no medicine- destruction of water treatment facilities-no
chlorine- result in diseases contracted from lack of clean water- including
typhoid, cholera and fatal dehydration from diarrhea

[Before the Gulf War], Iraq boasted one of the most modern infrastructures and highest standards of
living in the Middle East. The world's second largest oil producer, it had in recent decades used oil
revenues for ambitious projects and development programmes, as well as to build one of the most
powerful armed forces in the Arab world. It had established a modern, complex health care system,
with giant hospitals built on Western models and using the latest equipment. It had constructed
sophisticated water-treatment and pumping facilities. It had an extensive school and university

In September 1999, only one month after UNICEF reported (again) the humanitarian
crisis as a result of the sanctions,
The Clinton administration blocked efforts by France, Russia and China to lift sanctions against Iraq
following two weeks of intensive negotiations within the United Nations Security Council. Before the
first Gulf war, Iraq had already been almost completely dependent on imported food and medicine to
survive, but the sanctions left the civilian nation to starvation even as they crippled the health care
structure, which had once been sufficient. (U.N. / Effects of the Iraq Sanctions, Seattle Post-
Intelligencer, May 11, 1999)
Sanctions under Presidents George H.W. Bush, William J. Clinton, George W. Bush

"I know what this place is now. It's a death row for children."
An American who visited an Iraqi hospital crippled by sanctions
“As Cold War threats have diminished, so-called weapons of mass destruction -- nuclear, chemical, and biological
weapons and ballistic missiles – have become the new international bugbears. The irony is that the harm caused by
these weapons pales in comparison to the havoc wreaked by a much more popular tool: economic sanctions. Tally up
the casualties caused by rogue states, terrorists, and unconventional weapons, and the number is surprisingly small.
The same cannot be said for deaths inflicted by international sanctions. The math is sobering and should lead the United
States to reconsider its current policy of strangling Iraq…” Military Analysts John Mueller, Professor of Political Science at
the University of Rochester and Karl Mueller, Assistant Professor of Comparative Military Studies at the School of
Advanced Airpower Studies at Maxwell Air Force Base, Alabama Foreign Affairs, 1999


“Many children had to watch their parents being shot to death in front of them, or men who had to watch
their children and their wives being killed. Almost every family who stayed in Fallujah has to bury a victim in
their garden. As example, Hamid Abdulrazzak Sultan, a citizen from Fallujah, witnessed the killing of his
pregnant wife along with his 4 sons during an American attack on 9 Nov 2004. Four members of Fawzi
Hussein Salman al-Aisawi family where deliberately killed in their house by the American forces in front of
their daughter on the morning of 9 November 2005.”
UN Commission on Human Rights Testimony on Fallujah BRUSELLS TRIBUNAL, 25 March 2005

“We were told going into Fallujah, into the combat area, that every single person that was walking, talking,
breathing was an enemy combatant. As such, every single person that was walking down the street or in a
house was a target.”
Fallujah: The Hidden Massacre, Sigfrido Ranucci and Maurizio Torrealta, broadcast on RAI network

White Phosphorous
"It melts the flesh all the way down to the bone ...
I saw the burned bodies of women and children. Phosphorus explodes and forms a cloud. Anyone within a
radius of 150 meters is done for."
U.S. Army Specialist, Jeff Englehart, 2005

"[White Phosphorous] proved to be an effective and versatile munition... [and] as a potent psychological
weapon against the insurgents in trench lines and spider holes. We fired "shake and bake" missions at the
insurgents, using WP [White Phosphorous] to flush them out and HE [high explosives] to take them out." US
Army’s Field Artillery magazine, March-April 2004 issue

Napalm in Iraq

Saddam-Glaspie meeting (just prior to Iraqi invasion of Kuwait),or
How George Herbert Walker Bush 'set up' Saddam Hussein and created the pretense for Gulf War I, 'smackdown' of the Rumsfeld cultivated mass murderer of Iranian's for the U.S.:

Transcript of Meeting Between Iraqi President, Saddam Hussein and U.S. Ambassador to Iraq, April Glaspie. - July 25, 1990 (Eight days before the August 2, 1990 Iraqi Invasion of Kuwait)

July 25, 1990 - Presidential Palace - Baghdad

U.S. Ambassador Glaspie - I have direct instructions from President Bush to improve our relations with Iraq. We have considerable sympathy for your quest for higher oil prices, the immediate cause of your confrontation with Kuwait. (pause) As you know, I lived here for years and admire your extraordinary efforts to rebuild your country. We know you need funds. We understand that, and our opinion is that you should have the opportunity to rebuild your country. (pause) We can see that you have deployed massive numbers of troops in the south. Normally that would be none of our business, but when this happens in the context of your threat s against Kuwait, then it would be reasonable for us to be concerned. For this reason, I have received an instruction to ask you, in the spirit of friendship - not confrontation - regarding your intentions: Why are your troops massed so very close to Kuwait's borders?

Saddam Hussein - As you know, for years now I have made every effort to reach a settlement on our dispute with Kuwait. There is to be a meeting in two days; I am prepared to give negotiations only this one more brief chance. (pause) When we (the Iraqis) meet (with the Kuwaitis) and we see there is hope, then nothing will happen. But if we are unable to find a solution, then it will be natural that Iraq will not accept death.

U.S. Ambassador Glaspie - What solutions would be acceptable?

Saddam Hussein - If we could keep the whole of the Shatt al Arab - our strategic goal in our war with Iran - we will make concessions (to the Kuwaitis). But, if we are forced to choose between keeping half of the Shatt and the whole of Iraq (i.e., in Saddam s view, including Kuwait ) then we will give up all of the Shatt to defend our claims on Kuwait to keep the whole of Iraq in the shape we wish it to be. (pause) What is the United States' opinion on this?

U.S. Ambassador Glaspie - We have no opinion on your Arab - Arab conflicts, such as your dispute with Kuwait. Secretary (of State James) Baker has directed me to emphasize the instruction, first given to Iraq in the 1960's, that the Kuwait issue is not associated with America. (Saddam smiles)

On August 2, 1990, Saddam's massed troops invade and occupy Kuwait. _____

Baghdad, September 2, 1990, U.S. Embassy

One month later, British journalists obtain the the above tape and transcript of the Saddam - Glaspie meeting of July 29, 1990. Astounded, they confront Ms. Glaspie as she leaves the U.S. Embassy in Baghdad.

Journalist 1 - Are the transcripts (holding them up) correct, Madam Ambassador?(Ambassador Glaspie does not respond)

Journalist 2 - You knew Saddam was going to invade (Kuwait ) but you didn't warn him not to. You didn't tell him America would defend Kuwait. You told him the opposite - that America was not associated with Kuwait.

Journalist 1 - You encouraged this aggression - his invasi on. What were you thinking?

U.S. Ambassador Glaspie - Obviously, I didn't think, and nobody else did, that the Iraqis were going to take all of Kuwait.


This Bush family agenda, dating back to Prescott Bush, has always been to facilitate fascism and profit from war mongering and mass murder and genocide! Till this Bush family is 'exorcised' from U.S. soil, this nation will forever be in harm's way!!

I'll tell you what worries me (and I suspect a lot of other people), and it's because these people are not only amoral, they're nuts. My worry is that there's going to be another 911, again later discovered with the fingerprints of this administration all over it. A worse one, probably in a blue state. What do these crazies have to lose? Their polls are in the toilet, they don't have much time left but they still have full power. What's to stop them from doing something really spiteful? If it doesn't succeed in boosting their ratings at least they will have exacted revenge on the country. A speedy impeachment is the best option.

Yes, stop talking about it. Just do it! What other crimes do these guys need to commit before you push the impeach button? If they were sacrificing live baby seals on TV to Satan it STILL wouldn't be enough to get you clowns to move on it.


Mere impeachment is too good for them. The entire administration should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law for their many, many felonies.

It's hard to see how the Congress is going to get anything done of substance when the President is vetoing their bills. The argument that they don't have time or energy to impeach because they've got a war to end, etc. etc. is baffling, and would be comical if it weren't so sad. They aren't going to get anything significant done until they remove or at least neuter Bush politically.

By giving Bush-Cheney a pass on impeachment, they embolden the NeoCons and allow for the political rehabilitation of their legacy down the road. Bush-Cheney become the symbols of a successful resistence to liberal views. Of course they can also do a lot of real damage in the time they have left.

Impeachment, even without removal puts a permanent dark cloud over the Bush administration for all time, and makes is impossible to rehabilitate the guy historically without at least refering to the fact of his impeachment.

I'm afraid the Dems simply have no real heart for the struggle we're in, and as a result we're likely to lose it in the long run to what is really a Neo-Fascist vision for America. If the fascists are good at anything, it's reinventing history to their advantage. Leaving Bush in office, uncensored and unimpeached makes if much easier for the right to recover.

It's fine to say impeach by committee, but Congress is not getting anything done anyway. Republicans proudly obstruct anything and everything the Senate tries to accomplish. So, to say we don't want to be distracted by upholding the law is just wrong.

We won't take using nuclear weaponms against a country that is no threat off the table, but upholdng the law in this country is just too distracting. To take impeachment off the table as Pelosi has done, is just giving away the only weapon available to save the Constitution. Look at what that has accomplished.

George Bush and Dick Cheney and Alberto Gonzales are criminals, and as long as Democrats tiptoe around trying to "work with them", they will to run roughshod over the Constitution. It is time to use the "big stick" to beat Cheney back into his lair and save this country. There is still almost 1.5 years left for these criminals to completely destroy what this country stands for. They are working overtime to do it. It is time for our representatives to work overtime, ut front, to help us fight back.

"This Is As Close As We've Ever Come To A Dictatorship"" That has to be the most naive thing I've ever heard. Just wait till the next president, then we will be one step closer. and then the next. Just in case no one has noticed we never get back any freedoms we loose.

Where have these political whores been for the last 7 years? We didnt get to this point yesterday. Now they want to score points close to the elections huh? It was these same fakes now bemoaning the war- that pushed through the 2000 election coup/dictatorship/Patriot Act/war in the first place. Now they'll 'save' us from it! Enough with their bullsh*t.
The question is now -"Where have the American people been for the last 7 years?" Raging on a website and worrying is NOT action. LETS GET MOVING!

There are many wars going on in this world. But the one I want to end first is the drug one..I'm sick of hearing people going through a drug addiction treatment, but thank God there is one!

There are many wars going on in this world. But the one I want to end first is the drug one..I'm sick of hearing people going through a drug addiction treatment, but thank God there is one!

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