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Bush Lied: White House Never Investigated Leak


LIVE BLOGGING Waxman Hearing Part 2
By David Swanson

The media left the room on Thursday when Valerie Plame did. The first part of the hearing in which she testified was indeed interesting: http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/node/19727

But of more importance to our nation, I believe, was the testimony that followed. It came from these two witnesses: Dr. James Knodell, Director, Office of Security, The White House; Mr. Bill Leonard, Director, Information Security Oversight Office, National Archives and Records Administration.

Find video and testimony and other information here: http://oversight.house.gov/story.asp?ID=1205

The testimony was given under oath.

As the second panel of the hearing began, one Republican and six Democrats were present as members of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee.

12:20 p.m.: Chairman Henry Waxman: Knodell, you are in charge at the White House of protecting classified info under executive order 12958?

K: Yes.

HW: Any WH employee who has knowledge of the loss or compromise of classified info must report it to you?

K: Yes.

HW: And to you, Leonard?

L: Yes.

HW: And that's whether it happens intentionally or unintentionally?

L: Yes.

HW: Ari Fleischer talked to reporters. Did he tell you?

K: I thought we agreed not to discuss specific investigations. [Note that he suggests there are investigations at this point in the hearing.]

HW: No, we said we would not discuss the Libby case.

K: It's before my time, I began in August 2004.

HW: Are you aware?

K: No.

HW: Are you aware if there was any investigation?

K: I am not aware. [Note that now he does not know whether there have been investigations.]

HW: Did Rove come forward re talking to Novak and Cooper?

K: I have no knowledge.

HW: Are you aware there has been a lot of concern about this for the past 2.5 years?

K: Yes.

HW: Did you learn that in the WH?

K: From the press.

HW: If someone notifies your office of a compromise of classified info, is a report filed?

K: Yes.

HW: Is there any report on file related to this?

K: No, there is not any report on file.

HW: Mr. Leonard, does the law require that a report be filed in these cases?

L: Yes.

HW; Knodell, any disiplinary action taken against Rove?

K: No, none taken.

Republican Rep. Davis: We have to be informed of witenesses three days ahead, and we learned of these witnesses yesterday. We understand there was talk of a subpoena.

K: Yes.

Davis: The minority on the committee was not part of that.

HW: The minority staff was made aware of these witnesses for weeks. Yesterday the White House said K would not testify. I suggested a subpoena. He agreed to testify.

Davis goes on with trying – as he did in the first section of the hearing – to blame the CIA for not telling Novak not to publish (which Valerie Plame Wilson told him the CIA did do).

Democratic Rep. Cummings: There's no report?

K: None.

EC: So, there has been no investigation?

K: Not by my office. [Note that he now knows whether there has been an investigation and says there has not. All of this is under oath.]

EC: No sanctions?

K: No.

EC: Your main purpose is to keep these things from happening?

K: Yes. This was before my time.

EC: You look into it?

K: No.

[Why do the Dems never subpoena the predecessor so that excuse can't end it?]

HW: President Bush said he was investigating this. There was no investigation?

K: Not by my office.

HW: Isn't there an obligation to investigate?

K: Yes.

EC: If Rove involved he had a duty to report?

K: Yes, at time of occurrence. [As if he no longer does.]

HW: The Fitzgerald investigation [speaking of people who should be subpoenaed] did not start for months. There was an obligation by the WH for an immediate investigation, perhaps to revoke security clearances, to take disciplinary action, and to find out what happened. Correct?

Leonard: Yes.

HW: Right after the Novak column the CIA was so angered that they wrote a letter to the Justice Dept. But the WH still did not investigate?

L: Right.

At this point Somebody shouts Impeach Cheney First! And leaves the room.

Democratic Rep. Diane Watson: Libby was informed by the State Dept., the CIA, the VP, and another aide to the VP. But how did Rove learn? Mr. Knodell, the WH should have conducted an investigation – would that be you?

K: Yes, my office.

DW: How did Rove learn?

K: I don't know.

DW: You've been on the job how long?

K: Since August 2004.

DW: and you can't tell us?

K: There's been no investigation.

DW: That's a dereliction of duty. Mr. Chairman, we ought to investigate why his office has not done an investigation.

12:46 Rep. Chris Van Hollen: Is it WH policy that you can't do an investigation while a criminal investigation is underway?

K: No. The investigation should be done.

CVH: Why no investigation now?

K: [silence….] I'll take this back and review this with senior management, if the criminal investigation is completed.

CVH: But you just said…

K: No, we can't do an investigation while a criminal investigation is underway.

L: There's no clear cut rule on that.

CVH: The GAO says that many federal employees have lost their security clearances pending criminal investigations, including a Seargent who leaked Abu Ghraib crimes.

12:53: Rep. Davis: Blah, blah, blah.

H Waxman: Bush said he was doing an investigation, said the guilty would be fired, heads would role. But he did no investigation.

12:55: Democratic Rep. Hodes: Who was your predecessor [Finally, there it is.]?

K: Jeffrey Thompson.

H: Where is he now.

K: Last I heard he'd moved down to Georgia. [Gotta think he's moving a little farther about now.]

H: Did he brief you?

K: No.

H: What discussions if any have you had with the President regarding whether to do any investigation?

K: None.
H: With Cheney?

K: None.

H: With Rove?

K: None.

With anyone at all?

K: None. [This is under oath for godsake!]

H: So when you say you're going to take it back to senior management, you mean you're going to go back and talk to yourself?

K: At this point Knodell says he reports to Tom Dreier the Deputy Chief Operations Officer for the Office of Administration, who reports to Sandra Evans (same title without the "Deputy"), who reports to the Director of the Office of Administration, who reports to Bush.

NOTE: Now Hodes gets to the heart of it!

Hodes: Is leaking classified information, such as a classified NIE, a crime?

K: Yes.

H: If more than one person involved, a criminal conspiracy?

K: Yes.

H: Libby told to tell Judith Miller by Cheney who said Bush approved. Have you ever seen such selective declassification before?

Leonard: No.

Hodes: How, if Libby had authority from Cheney and Bush to leak, could the administration still claim the NIE was classified for 10 days and then declassify it?

Leonard: Prez has absolute authority.

Hodes: Could he choose to leak selections to selected reporters and keep it otherwise classified?

L: Yes.

1:01 p.m.

Eleanor Holmes Norton: Knodell, do you have any authority to begin any investigations or actions?

At this point Knodell says effectively No, and then changes it to Yes.

EHN: Can others stop you?

K: That's never happened.

EHN then shows a video of Scott McClellan claiming that Rove et al said they had nothing to do with it.

EHN: Why does Rove still have security clearance?

K: A criminal investigation found no criminal wrongdoing?

EHN: So, even if security of nation at stake, you wait for a slow process with a much higher standard of proof?

1:09 SECOND ROUND OF QUESTIONING

Cummings: The law prohibits negligent as well as knowing disclosures of classified info?

Knodell: Yes.

Diane Watson at this point asks Knodell if he thinks he has carried out his duties.

Waxman says not to ask harsh questions.

Watson says she wants to know what responsibility his position has.

Knodell again says there is a criminal proceeding underway.

DW: It's over.

K: I have not been notified that it's over.

H Waxman: Bob Woodward's "Bush at War" claims to use lots of classified info. There seems to be a pattern of discolures that are not investigated.

K: I know nothink.

HW: But critics of the administration get a different treatment, e.g. Secretary O'Neill, the NSA spying story, etc… Investigations are immediately announced.

Davis: Blah, blah, blahde blah.

1:20 p.m. There are four Dems (Waxman, Van Hollen, Hodes, Norton), and one Repub. (Davis) left.

CVH: Two months after the leak Scott McClellan said over 30 times that he had no knowledge of leaks. I guess we know why.

Hodes: Aren't security clearances reviewed every 5 years?

Knodell: Yes.

H: Rove's in 2006?

K: I know nothink.

H: It would be documented?

K: Yes.

H: If someone leaked classified info and lied about it, would that be considered important in a review?

K: Yes.

H: Are any questions raised in your mind about this: might you go back and ask questions?

K: We could do that, talk to senior management…

H: WILL YOU do it and tell us what you and senior management discuss and decide?

K: Yes.

H: When was Libby's security clearance revoked?

K: The day he resigned.

1:29 p.m. Eleanor Holmes Norton: Did any of the officials on the chart have a need to know?

K: I dunno.

EHN: based on their positions?

K: I dunno.

EHN: So, you can think of a circumstance when one of those officials would need to know the identity of a covert agent?

K: I dunno.

EHN: You're the fall guy here. Maybe someone more independent should do an investigation?

At this point Waxman says Norton's time has expired unless Knodell wants to answer the question, which of course he says he does not. I'll answer it: YES!!!!!!!!! CONGRESS!!!!!!!!!!!

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I think a lot of people will be glad you hung around.

And I'm guessing the softball-tossing MSM stenographers won't be in any hurry to hit Dubya up with this information at his next propaganda dictation session.

http://www.johnperryonline.com
Demanding Truth, Accountability and Justice.

Yup! BushCo lied about a LOT of things . . . and sister Rosie is going to tell!! . . . nanny-nanny-boo-boo!!! . . .;-)

(clipped headline)
"O'Donnell Out Of The Closet... As A 9/11 Truther -Talk show host lays out WTC 7 facts in blog"

(full story)
http://infowars.net/articles/march2007/160307ODonnell.htm

Meanwhile . . . for you older kidz that love to "connect the dotz and see the pattern" . . . check out this four part series called, "The Century of the Self, the acclaimed 2002 BBC documentary by Adam Curtis."

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2007/140307freud.htm

It really breaks down the "Conservatives Without Conscience" Psychological Profiles of these "elitist Authoritarians" that are convinced that "Everyone is WRONG but THEM" . . .

Good Ol' Patriarchal Fascists with that "Order Out of Chaos" linear logic "static & homogeneous" model mindset . . .and hence they MUST give each other the "Right & Authority" . .. for "Our Own Good", of course . .. to do all kindz of mean and nasty stuff to we poor ol' folks that basically believe that folks are pretty much alright critters . . .even the ones on the "Group W" bench . . . ;-)

. . . critters not only capable of "rational" thought . . . but with the ability to LOVE and CARE FOR one another and other creatures . . . jes' because . . .;-)

A concept lost on folks like Anna Freud, Edward Bernays, Dr. Ewing Cameron, Ayn Rand (I threw that one in for my Libertarian brothers and sisters), and Mama Barbara "Those Type Of Folks Is Better Off Since Katrina" Bush . . .;-)

I bet Rosie throws some kick-ass parties . ..;-)

"Now, I know your mama,
She don't like me, 'cause I play in a rock and roll band
And I know your daddy,
He don't dig me, but he never did understand
Your papa lowered the boom,
He locked you in your room--
I'm comin' to lend a hand
I'm comin' to liberate you, confiscate you,
I want to be your man
Someday we'll look back on this
And it will all seem funny"
- Rosalita (Come Out Tonight) by Bruce Springsteen (the ONLY boss we need)

peace.

But Rush "Pills" Limbaugh just sez Rosie has "issues", kidz . . .;-)

(clipped headline)
"Rush Limbaugh Says 9/11 Truthers Need Rehab"

(link to video clip - approx. 2 minutes)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9emz5hpxkrw

I believe Joseph Stalin used this classic Authoritarian Tactic of labeling everyone that disagreed with him as "insane" and had them rounded up for "treatment" . . .

I just love all these media "Personalities" that are such Authorities on EVERYTHING . . . be it PHYSICS, ENGINEERING, or PSYCHOLOGY .. .;-)

Like I've said before, in this whacky universe I wish I was a positive about ONE thing as Rush "Pills" Limbaugh and Bill "Right Man" O'Reilly are about EVERYTHING!!! . . . ;-)

FAIRNESS DOCTRINE (R.I.P. 1949-1987)

"Ah, I'm sick to death of hearing things
from uptight, short-sighted, narrow-minded hypocrites
All I want is the truth now
Just gimme some truth now"
- Give Me Some Truth by John Lennon

peace.

and this should more than be enough proof of the conspiracy leading all the way to the top of this corrupt, scummy, murdering government.

it's time to impeach this son of a bitch right fucking now!!!

Watched the Hearings from beginning-to-end. Sometimes ya' wanna' strangle Valerie Wilson when she'd let one of the Dem's slow, arcing lobbed, slow pitches go by the plate.

The Republicans at the Hearings must have lost a bet or an office pool. Toensing (sp?) is still the flame-spitting she-monster she has always been.

Classic newspeak, though.... Valerie Plame couldn't be covert because she had a desk at Langley...CIA HQ! Victoria has been sniffing her own propaganda for so long she can no longer, with any reliability, tell the difference between her world of fancy, and the reality the rest of us have to inhabit. And... she is a pain-in-the-ass to watch and hear.


wtc 7

Posted by ro on March 15th at 4:38pm in

in the news

at 5 30 pm
9 11 2001
wtc7 collapsed
for the third time in history
fire brought down a steel building
reducing it to rubble
hold on folks
here we go
• The fires in WTC 7 were not evenly distributed, so a perfect collapse was
impossible.
• Silverstein said to the fire department commander “the smartest thing to do
is pull it.”
• Firefighters withdrawing from the area stated the building was going to
“blow up”.
• The roof of WTC 7 visibly crumbled and the building collapsed perfectly into
its footprint.
• Molten steel and partially evaporated steel members were found in the
debris.
[WTC 7] contained offices of the FBI, Department of Defense, IRS (which
contained prodigious amounts of corporate tax fraud, including Enron’s), US
Secret Service, Securities & Exchange Commission (with more stock fraud
records), and Citibank’s Salomon Smith Barney, the Mayor’s Office of Emergency
Management and many other financial institutions. [Online Journal]
The SEC has not quantified the number of active cases in which substantial
files were destroyed [by the collapse of WTC 7]. Reuters news service and the
Los Angeles Times published reports estimating them at 3,000 to 4,000. They
include the agency’s major inquiry into the manner in which investment banks
divvied up hot shares of initial public offerings during the high-tech boom.
…”Ongoing investigations at the New York SEC will be dramatically affected
because so much of their work is paper-intensive,” said Max Berger of New
York’s Bernstein Litowitz Berger & Grossmann. “This is a disaster for these
cases.” [New York Lawyer]
Citigroup says some information that the committee is seeking [about
WorldCom] was destroyed in the Sept. 11 terror attack on the World Trade
Center. Salomon had offices in 7 World Trade Center, one of the buildings that
collapsed in the aftermath of the attack. The bank says that back-up tapes of
corporate emails from September 1998 through December 2000 were stored at the
building and destroyed in the attack. [TheStreet]
Inside [WTC 7 was] the US Secret Service’s largest field office with more
than 200 employees. …”All the evidence that we stored at 7 World Trade, in all
our cases, went down with the building,” according to US Secret Service
Special Agent David Curran. [TechTV]
lets start here
ok…go slow
remember 2 breathe
use google

Read David Ray Griffin's "The New Pearl Harbor" and "9/11 and American Empire - Intellectuals Speak out" and you will logically and undoubtedly conclude that to end the Iraqi war, to return our civil liberties back, and to seek those who lied us into war, all you need to do is look into the unaswered questions of 9/11 and demand a reinvestigation.

I have spent more than a couple of years looking into this. 9/11 is the head of the snake. It has been the reason for evey justification into everything immoral posed and executed by Bush & Co.

Rosie seems to have taken her time studying this issue. And now look where she is. She's posing questions. She putting a little inquiry out there for all of us. Going down this rabbit hole isn't easy and it certianly takes time. It was once all conspiracy nonsense to me. But the unaswered questions just kept multiplying.

The official story (sanctioned by the 9/11 Commission) was that of omission. They had the conclusion made before even gathering evidence.

Recently, Cindy Sheehan alluded to a new 9/11 investigation up in Vermont. She, too, should realize that to end the war, look into 9/11.

It's time to wake-up and see that just as we are reminded of 9/11 everytime Bush and Co. want to do something evil, we are told to ignore 9/11 all together when it comes to simply asking why and how it happened. Think about it - why hasn't anyone been demoted, fired, or charged with criminal negligence for failure to protect us?

911blogger.com is a place to get your voice heard if you agree with any of the above.

9/11 . . . So simple even a Caveman . .;-)

(clipped headline)
"9/11 Conspiracy - Even a Caveman Figured It Out! - The 9/11 conspiracy gets a boost of truth from a caveman on Faux News"

(video clip - approx 30 seconds)
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2007/150307Conspiracy.htm

http://www.911weknow.com/

"Come and love me, be my ape man girl
And we will be so happy in my ape man world
I'm an ape man, I'm an ape ape man, I'm an ape man
I'm a King Kong man, I'm a voo-doo man
I'm an ape man
I'll be your Tarzan, you'll be my Jane
I'll keep you warm and you'll keep me sane
And we'll sit in the trees and eat bananas all day
Just like an ape man"
- Apeman by The Kinks

peace.

I think Rosie O. may be on to something here, and what she's written is loaded with plenty of food for serious, rational thought.

She mentions that "WTC 7] contained offices of the FBI, Department of Defense, IRS (which contained prodigious amounts of corporate tax fraud, including Enron’s), US Secret Service, Securities & Exchange Commission (with more stock fraud records), and Citibank’s Salomon Smith Barney, the Mayor’s Office of Emergency Management and many other financial institutions. [Online Journal]
The SEC has not quantified the number of active cases in which substantial files were destroyed [by the collapse of WTC 7]. Reuters news service and the Los Angeles Times published reports estimating them at 3,000 to 4,000. They include the agency’s major inquiry into the manner in which investment banks divvied up hot shares of initial public offerings during the high-tech boom."

Anyone remember the spectacular crashes of WorldCom and GlobalCrossing? They were occurring at the same time Enron was in freefall, and the fact that all of the investigative materials were destroyed before charges could be brought against those involved brings up an interesting question which Rosie O. doesn't publicly ask, but she's definitely implying it...

The question is this: is it out of the realm of possibility to suggest that 9/11 wasn't merely an "inside job", but was, in actuality, a plot designed by the Anglo-Dutch financial oligarchy to speed up their destruction of the United States as a political and economic force in the world, by destroying all evidence of their financial wrong-doing in the investigations of GlobalCrossing, WorldCom and Enron, among others?

She also mentions this: "Citigroup says some information that the committee is seeking [about WorldCom] was destroyed in the Sept. 11 terror attack on the World Trade Center. Salomon had offices in 7 World Trade Center, one of the buildings that collapsed in the aftermath of the attack. The bank says that back-up tapes of corporate emails from September 1998 through December 2000 were stored at the building and destroyed in the attack. [TheStreet]
Inside [WTC 7 was] the US Secret Service’s largest field office with more than 200 employees. …”All the evidence that we stored at 7 World Trade, in all our cases, went down with the building,” according to US Secret Service Special Agent David Curran. [TechTV]"

One of the many duties of the Secret Service (besides protecting the POTUS and FLOTUS) is to investigate and root out counterfeiters. At the time WTC 7 went down, there were rumors of a plot by the Iranian government (with help from unnamed "outside sources" based in London) to print several billion dollars of counterfeit U.S. money in an elaborate scheme to bring down the U.S. economy by literally flooding the nation with expertly made counterfeit dollar bills.

The U.S. Secret Service's office in NYC was on the front line in investigating the Iranian counterfeit money scheme. When WTC 7 went down, all of the data and materials in the investigation were destroyed. Funny how everything literally went up in smoke just when the investigations into all of these financial crimes (and possibly more) were just about to break wide open.

There's much more to 9/11 than the cover story we've been fed for the last six years, and it's also interesting that 9/11 occurred during the watch of G.W., a POTUS who's made no bones about his loyalty to his moneyed, oligarchical "base".

God bless ya, Rosie... and thanks, Robert B., for bringing this to our attention.

Thanks for being there, David. I watched Hodes questioning Knodell (the invisible man who can't be found on google...what's with that?), and listening to the excellent questions and watching the body language of Knodell was priceless and oh-so-revealing. The White House website lists someone else as head of his department, by the way. I wonder if they thought no one would notice.

**********
"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." - Mark Twain

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