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What's Wrong With David Obey
By David Swanson
The reason I sent the media a video of House Appropriations Chair David Obey (Dem., Wisc.) throwing a bit of a fit was not just to embarrass him. Nor was it, as some Democratic Party Die-Hards allege, to foolishly split the forces of good and allow the evil Republicans to prevail.
The split between the Progressive Caucus and the Democratic Leadership already existed. The Progressive Caucus has taken a stand for funding only a withdrawal of our troops from Iraq and not funding any extension or expansion of the war – or for that matter moving the war to Afghanistan where Congressman Obey claims we could better "attack the people who attacked us."
The Democratic Leadership's position is firmly opposed to making any use of the power of the purse. They want to rely on Bush to end the war, while they continue funding it. They want to require that "benchmarks" be met that include enforcement of a new Iraq oil law effectively stealing that nation's oil profits and handing them to foreign corporations. And they want to sweeten this deal by throwing in VA health care, Katrina relief, and all sorts of funding for the pet projects of congress members whose votes they otherwise can't get.
This is a foolish approach because it relies on Bush to tell the truth and obey the law. It’s a criminal approach because it funds an illegal war and the illegal theft of natural resources. And it's a dishonest approach because it leads to incidents like the one in the video, in which Obey tells a military mother that the only way to fund VA health care is to fund more war and produce more need for VA health care. This is simply not true. A clean bill for VA health care would pass if introduced. Using the injured veterans our nation has tossed aside like refuse to prettify a bill aimed primarily at producing more of them is disgusting. The same goes for Katrina victims, farmers, and anyone else being used as cover for a war bill.
If you don't have the votes for a war bill, Congressman Obey, you should rewrite the bill. Now, there are two ways to do that. One is to please the Republicans by taking out all the constitutionally questionable benchmark / timetable nonsense that Bush will ignore anyway. The other is to please the progressive Democrats and the American public and write a serious bill that includes Congresswoman Barbara Lee's amendment requiring that all funding go to a withdrawal to be completed by the end of the year.
If the third of your caucus that already stands for ending the war were joined by the leadership, where do you think the other Democrats would go? This is about being a leader, Congressman. Screaming at one of the victims of your policies that you don't have the votes to change course has a certain "But the other kids are doing it" ring to it. You claim you oppose the war. Yet you repeatedly vote to fund it. And your justification is that the other kids are doing it too. When you end up screaming this at the mother of a Marine you're sending in for a third tour, a Marine who already will never be what he was before you got your claws into him, it's time to wake up and to grow up and to begin to show a little more maturity.
The reason anyone should enter politics, Congressman, is to be there at times like these in order to be able to do the right and decent thing. Elections serve the purpose of enabling such actions. Such actions do not serve elections or party ambitions. Do you think Speaker Pelosi would threaten your chairmanship if you did the right thing? I don't think she would, and I don't think you should care. You've come down to the point of denouncing the majority of Americans as idiots. You've come down to the point of claiming and apparently believing that the only way to end a war is to fund it. You've come down to the point of acting out Orwellian dramas on behalf of weapons makers. A recovery from this position would do much more for you than the loss of a chairmanship would mean.
Congressman, as long as you have got yourself convinced that funding a withdrawal of our troops from the occupation of a foreign country is anti-troops, you are going to see the majority of ordinary Americans who don't work for television networks or Republican think tanks as idiots. And you're going to disagree with us angrily, because we're going to threaten recognition of the utterly incoherent nonsense you believe.
We all have moments of anger and frustration. That's certainly forgivable, and you've graciously apologized, and Tina Richards has accepted. But the only way you're going to be at ease with the knowledge that there are ordinary Americans loose in the halls of Congress is if you sit down and talk with a few of them and try to understand what it is they are thinking.
David Swanson is the Washington Director of Democrats.com and co-founder of the AfterDowningStreet.org coalition, a board member of Progressive Democrats of America, and of the Backbone Campaign. He serves on a working group of United for Peace and Justice. He has worked as a newspaper reporter and as a communications director, with jobs including Press Secretary for Dennis Kucinich's 2004 presidential campaign. His website is www.davidswanson.org.
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Well, I certainly do owe you an apology, I thought Congressman Obey was on our side (the American soldiers' side that is). Knock me over with a feather, I had no idea Obey was interested in playing a shell game and moving the war BACK to Afghanistan (is the gas pipeline deal rolling along with Cheney's recent trip to Afghanistan ? hmmmm ). And that prettification thing of using VA to trick us makes me steaming mad. Thanks for keeping us abreast of so much stuff!
IMPEACH BUSHCO & RICO PNAC/AIPAC > "OUT" THE ANTI-AMERICAN CABALS !
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David Swanson and the two people who engaged Coong. Obey in conversation refuse to acknowledge reality. With remarkable patience, he explained why each of their supposed quick fixes to end the war would fail if tried at this time. Several times they repeated their insistance that he vote for their favorite solution after he explained -- and they did not, could not, deny that he was correct -- that there were not enough votes in the House now for what they wanted. Even after he showed them that he wasn't hiding the magic wand they implied that he was refusing to use (otherwise, why would they keep asking him to pass the unpassable?), they persisted. Yes, he showed frustration. I share it. People who will not acknowledge an informed, well-meaning approach (Obey's,) and act as if it is a rejection of a perfect alternative whiich will immediately solve the problem (theirs), are very irritatingly self-righteous.
Do I think Obey and others have a perfect approach to end the war quickly? No. Nobody does. And the unfortunate fact, in my opinion and that of almost every expert I have read, is that our involvement will not end quickly. The best we can do is end it as soon as possible with as few of the terrible consequences still to come as possible.
In a broad view, what counts is for as many people as possible to lean against the war. Whether that takes the form of sometimes tortured legislative moves, designed to meet the political needs of a broad spectrum of Congressmen and Senators, or crazy, ill-considered proposals by non-thinking members of the public like Cong. Obey's interlocutors, isn't critically important. American history shows that the President will be forced to abandon a war that the people emphatically don't want any more.
Mitchell Strickler
Stop your Communist world socialist tactic Bu!!$h!T ... the DNC has the Communist Manifesto as their playbook! Wake-up America.
a whole mess o' Americans are wrong too.
How can you support Peace in 2008 but not Peace now?
But, then a whole mess o' Americans supported slavery; or at least, delayed abolition.
david sirota is trying cast Obey as apologetic while casting the dye of anti-war liberals as "...perpetual state of unproductive contrarian outrage" as stated in the last paragraph in his dkos post which can be seen here:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/3/10/125336/556
Thanks David. Good comments.
One can not be for Peace in 2008 and not for Peace NOW!
One can not be for ending this war by 2008 and not wish to end it NOW!
One can not be against the war and continue to fund it NOW!
Similarly so, one can not be against rape yet support the rapist, NO?
David,
As you well know, Tony Blair is A BIGGER LIAR THAN either Cheney or Bush!!!! And Al Gore officially has been hired by the British government as an advisor to the Minister of the Exchequer, Gordon Brown. Joe Wilson and Valerie Plame will be testifying in front of the Waxman-Davis Government Affairs Committee this coming Friday. David Kelly is NOT ALIVE TO DO THE SAME IN LONDON!!!!!!
Al Gore has been pumped up by the very neo-conmen who gave you Cheney-BUSH. In point of fact, WERE IT NOT FOR GORE AND LIEBERMAN and their throwing the election of 2000, WE WOULDN"T HAVE HAD CHENEY AND BUSH from the get-go!!!! Gore ran the insurrection against Bill Clinton from the inside and REFUSED TO LET CLINTON campaign for him!!!!!!!!! Guess why he L-O-S-T!!!!!!!!!!!
Gore, officially hired by the British government has another job!!! He works for the hedge funds who are robbing this country blind and then sending you the bills for the damages they cause when they rob you!!!! Gore started a hedge fund in London!!! run by his good friend, Mr. Blood!! For truth in advertising, it really should be called the Blood and Gore Hedge Fund!!! And so, he works for the British to push this BIG GENOCIDAL HOAX of GLOBAL WARMING; then plans to make a bundle trading carbon dioxide paper, AND THEN TELLS THE DEMOCRATS THIS IS THE ISSUE........... you must co-operate with Blair and Bush and Cheney..... forget about impeachment, forget about anything else like a global financial collapse caused by these speculative hedge funds of which he is personally part and parcel. GLOBAL WARMING!! GLOBAL WARMING!!! GLOBAL WARMING!!!!!!!
Anyone who falls sucker for this crap and gives Cheney and Bush a free ride deserves to go somewhere where the sun don't shine!!!!
And that David, is the problem of Obey (and others)!! Gore is a neo-con, always has been one and if you don't believe me, ask Marty Peretz, his long-time Harvard mentor and money-bags!!!!
Gerald Pechenuk, LaRouche PAC, Chicago cities12345@yahoo.com
Is this why Gore chose LIEberman for VP in 2000?:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Peretz
"...Under the leadership of Peretz, the magazine has generally maintained liberal and neoliberal positions on economic and social issues, and assumed hawkish and strong pro-Israel stances in foreign affairs. Some critics have accused Peretz of steering TNR towards neoconservatism. However, Peretz has long supported Democrats over Republicans, including being a major behind-the-scenes benefactor of Eugene McCarthy's primary presidential bid in 1968. Peretz is a strong supporter of Al Gore and advocates for his candidacy in 2008...."
Geesh, where does it begin and where does it end?
So, how do we overcome the NeoCONS , and just be Americans again?
IMPEACH BUSHCO & RICO PNAC/AIPAC > "OUT" THE ANTI-AMERICAN CABALS !
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Tony Blair is a bigger liar than Cheney and Bush, because he's more beholden to the same Anglo-Dutch Baby Boomer-minded oligarchy which is attempting to destroy the U.S. with a major financial blowout which will finish destroying what's left of the U.S. and the world.
While Mr. Pechenuk has made some very good observations in his post, allow me to elaborate on a couple of things, if I may ...
Valerie Plame-Wilson and Joe Wilson will be giving their testimony before the Waxman-Davis Government Affairs Committee, but please note WHEN they're going to be testifying. They'll be giving testimony on Friday, and as we've seen way too many times, any bombshells which might come from their testimony will either be suppressed by the corporate-owned media or obscured/upstaged by some other trivial event which the MSM will blow up out of proportion, as in the current case of "Global Warming", which has been foisted upon a dead celebrity worshipping, scientifically illiterate American populace by that obese neo-con in Democratic clothing -- Al Gore (who's definitely NOT a scientist, so he should stop playing one on TV and film).
The "Global Warming" hoax has been carefully crafted and timed to generate the maximum level of distraction in order to take the minds of an easily distracted American people (and the Democrats) off of the necessity of impeaching Cheney and G.W. The idea behind "Global Warming" is to keep people, including the members of Congress, in a "little me" mindset -- get them to do little things that are basically meaningless, instead of encouraging them to be courageous enough to shoulder the challenge of working together to save the nation, the next two generations and civilization by impeaching, indicting, convicting and jailing Dick Cheney for crimes against the Constitution, the American people, the Iraqi people and all humanity.
Also keep in mind that many of the Democratic Presidential beauty pageant contestants are walking the halls of the glass, chrome and steel monoliths of Wall Street and LaSalle Street which house these hedge funds, in their never-ending search for money to fund their campaigns. The hedge funds are robbing the country blind, all right, but here's the weird part ... even after the hedge funds send out the bill for the damages they caused during their robbery of the country, not a murmur of protest is uttered after the American people get handed the bill. They meekly accept the bill and pay it, even though they've got nothing to pay the bill with.
Do the Democratic beauty pageant contestants really care where the money to fuel their campaigns comes from? Apparently not, because all of the Democratic Presidential beauty pageant contestants have gone to the hedge funds to beg for campaign money. They are (it seems) oblivious to the fact that the money which fills their campaign warchests is blood money; genocide is being committed against millions of innocent people because of this money... yet, the candidates gladly cash the checks from the hedge funds, which is stained with the blood of millions of human lives, without even a twinge of conscience or a sense of shame.
Whether we care to admit it or not, Obey is just another neo-con in "Democratic" clothing whose loyalties lie with the DNC/DLC/AIPAC/PNAC cabal, the neo-cons and the Anglo-Dutch Baby Boomer oligarchy which bankrolls him, rather than with the people he's allegedly "respresenting"... and the mental illness of "Baby Boomerism" may be much more pervasive than first realized.
I am proud to be a liberal but I increasingly shake my head at the behavior of some of my liberal colleagues. I've known David Obey for most of my life and there are few politicians in Washington with his guts, his tenacity in fighting for what he believes in, his fundamental decency, his seriousness as a legislator, or his immense knowledge of issues. He's feisty and tough and occasionally those characteristics get the better of him. He made a mistake in yelling at this woman and he offered a sincere apology that has since been accepted.
Many of the responses here are embarrassingly out of touch with reality and correspond frighteningly closely to the typical caricatures of liberalism. The fact is that no liberal wants to admit that sending the troops home tomorrow would be irresponsible and that it is simply not possible given the current tightrope the Democratic leadership is walking. Obey understands that and, unlike many others with liberal guts in Congress who lose sight of political reality and spend most of their time crafting bills or resolutions with no chance of passage, he has sought to create a viable bill that will help bring the war to a much quicker close than the Bush administration would like. Rather than making themselves feel better with the kind of masturbatory rants which do nothing to change public policy, liberals would do well to mobilize in support of Congressman Obey's bill, or to attempt to craft a viable alternative. It is absurd that the person sent to question Obey about this bill had no idea that it made continued prosecution of the war beyond a certain date next year ILLEGAL.
David Obey is serious about trying to end the war as he is on a whole host of other legislative issues where he has worked to further the progressive cause (environmental protection, campaign finance reform, health care, fair labor laws, freedom of speech and religion, opposing the Iraq War well before it began and calling for Donald Rumsfeld's resignation before anyone, just to name a few examples). Because he is serious that means he is a realist. Because he is a realist, he understands the budgetary process and what is necessary to fund the troops today and try to bring them home soon. He has not only fought the good fight for liberal causes over his thirty-five years in the Congress, he has actually DONE a lot (just peruse the long history of the bills he has successfully co-sponsored on many of the issues I've cited above). Because David Obey is serious, realistic, and result-oriented, he doesn't play games. He leaves that to the indeed idiotic liberals who are currently wasting their time -- and the American people's -- attacking him.
One sentence divided in half:
ONE- "The fact is that no liberal wants to admit that sending the troops home tomorrow would be irresponsible..."
TWO-- and that it is simply not possible given the current tightrope the Democratic leadership is walking."
The fact is as Obey said: He did not say that removing the troops now would be irresponsible, he's said those who want to do it DON'T HAVE THE VOTES!
Obey is forced to be a fence-sitter as part of the political game. People like you fence-sitters as a matter of philosophy and policy are the one's who've trapped him!