Impeachment? A Forum With John Judge, Dave Lindorff, David Swanson, Ray McGovern, Pete Perry

While I appreciate "Edsdet's" analysis, it is my belief from a legal standpoint that there is a distinct pattern of conduct on the part of this administration which is clear and convincing.

Let us first acknowledge that the term "impeachment" is defined in an investigatory manner. Articles of Impeachment are really a bill of particulars concerning the conduct of an executive branch office holder be it president or other lower level official. The House Judiciary Committee initiates hearings into potential charges and ultimately votes "Articles of Impeachment" and sends them to the Senate for trial.

No-one's job is to ensure that the process is successful or, in the alternative, predetermine that the process will not be successful. The Founders implememted the process as one of the aspects of the system of checks and balances. The job of the House is to hold the hearings and perform the investigations. The Senate's job is to sit as the jury to decide whether the case is made against the accused.

I appreciate also that "edsdet" takes a look at the practical political realities existing at this point in American history. However, that is not what the Founders envisioned. Their writings indicate a clear desire that this type of executive over-reach to usurp powers beyond those granted the executive branch in the Constitution required and actually demanded that the process be implemented.

The Founders may not have been exposed to the horrors of Fascism as existed in Europe in the first half of the 20th century, but they did escape from the tyranny of the despotic ruler of the British Empire. Fascism or Despotic Monarchism, it really boils down to the same concept, the subjugation of the populace to the whims of the ruler. That is why "impeachment" is necessary and why David Swanson is on target with his analysis of the current state of American governmental affairs.

Perhaps a look at the list of administration "accomplishments" is in order:

Conduct which arguably ignored pre-9/11 warnings,
Leaving Afganistan to re-focus on Iraq under questionable justifications,
Using questionable intelligence gathhering methods which appeared geared to produce "evidence" for what the administration wanted to "sell",
No-bid government contracts for administration favored corporations such as Haliburton and Bechtel and others,
The dissappearance of billions of dollars in tax payer cash entrusted to the Coaltition Provisional Authority in Iraq,
Katrina aftermath,
US Attorneys' dismissal scandal,
Libby trial revelations,
Bush's and Cheney's secrecy and classification policies;
I'm certain I have missed some others, but I think everyone gets my point. Add whatever you like to this admittedly incomplete list.

With a record of "accomplishments" like this, one wonders how the "liberal media" would treat someone from the "wrong" blood line of political thought.

I have read late this week that Rep. Waxman wants Fitzgerals to testify before his committee this coming week. On Tuesday after the Libby verdict, I called on this site for the Congress in general and the House Judiciary Committeee in particular to bring in Fitzgerald to be their lead counsel in the investagatory process. My hope is that this is the first step toward that measure.

FDR said in the 40's "we have nothing to fear but fear itself"! WE THE PEOPLE must not be afraid to allow our Constitutional processes run their courses. To succumb to fear of those processes is to destroy what America has been all about since 1776.

Now, with even more duplicitous fawning and "respect", our sudden interloper "Edrie" is joined by another - fake name "Edsdet" - who turns the dagger directly against the center of the forum itself.

Let no one be duped by these crocodile "concerns" to "educate" us with their "pragmatic insights". As I scrutinize their toxic web-weaving, I am reminded of the old Sting lyric:
"Poets, Priests and Politicians use words to vie for your submission…their eloquence escapes you; their logic ties you up and rapes you…"
Here we have these two, Edsdet and Edrie, absolutely using the language of poets and politicians, as opposed to any language of education or of science (including legal science). Well I don't like being tied up, Edsdet - much less raped - and that is why I am now (below) going to cut off your pecker for you.

Your "logic", as that of most con artists, begins by asserting your penultimate untruth; that "…you (The American People) can't will an impeachment to happen.". That is EXACTLY what we ARE doing - it is exactly what the Constitution INTENDS TO ENABLE US to do - and it is exactly what happened in the case of Richard Nixon, to which you allude. Watergate was simply the excuse used by a Congress (which perennially seems to need one) in order to exercise the WILL of the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of the people.

You know - exactly like the 70-90% OF AMERICANS who today want to see this war over and this administration gone. And as for new, viable excuses - i.e., proveable crimes for which to impeach - hell, Cheney/BushCo give us a new one practically every day!

But of course the real reason - the REAL, UNDERLYING CAUSE - for Congress to certify the impeachment in which we are already succeeding, can be summed up in just three words: "AFTER DOWNING STREET".

After the Downing Street Memo it was clear that the entire Iraq War has been a conspiracy of lies - creating a War of Aggression - and that all of this War Crime and all of this blood is thus on our hands.

After Downing Street it became clear the depth and malice of the manipulation against us; exploiting our fears every bit as criminally and even worse than described by Michael Moore in his "Fahrenheit 911" (go get it and review it again, kidz).

After Downing Street we could see that the entire Congress had likewise been lied-to and manipulated in exactly the same way (only easier); making plain even to those of us who aren't constitutional lawyers that surely this must violate the very bedrock of American laws and principles, as indeed it does.

"After Downing Street". Mr. Swanson could not have picked a more cogent nor apropos sound byte to summarize the REAL CAUSE for impeachment in all of the last 7, horrific years.

Not "before" Downing Street, Edsdet, but AFTER - the timing is important. Speaking of which I invite all to note the TIMING of YOUR sudden appearance here, yours and Edrie's, NOW - EXACTLY ONE WEEK BEFORE our march onto the Pentagon lawn to kick your ass for you. Oh yes, Edsdet and Edrie, you know we can - in fact that we already are - succeeding, and the truth of it is proven by your pre-emptive attacks here; to divide, distract and demoralize as much as possible in the runup to our public demonstration of WILL.

Boy, for such a little thing that weiner sure bleeds like hell when it's cut off, huh Edset?

Kidz, does the above kind of deception and attack piss you off? How would you like to DO something about it and at the same time be there on a GREAT DAY to be an AMERICAN?? I hope you come out and JOIN US NEXT SATURDAY for the DEMONSTRATION AT THE PENTAGON!

Cheers,

-Matty
(In Florida, where our votes didn't count the last two times but impeachment now sure as hell will!)