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"Spitting on Vietnam Soldiers" - Running down Crosses Honoring Our Fallen


Posted by loudsue
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I have to admit, I was always skeptical about the stories of soldiers being spit on. I was in college during the anti-war protests of the 60's and 70's, and everyone I knew in the "movement", still honored the soldiers.

A lot of people I knew in the movement wanted to spit on the POLITICIANS that supported letting our soldiers DIE. But everyone I came in contact with felt deep compassion for our soldiers, who were having to give up their youth and innocence in Vietnam. After all, they were our classmates in school, our brothers, our boyfriends, our cousins, our husbands, or our friends. We knew those guys!

But running over CROSSES, put there to HONOR our fallen soldiers, happened last night. It was real. It was recorded.

Crosses honoring dead Republican soldiers, and crosses honoring dead Democratic soldiers...crosses honoring AMERICAN soldiers, got mowed down by a partisan REPUBLICAN-supporting fanatic.

I've known for years that the republican party has been more interested in their republican party support than they were interested in what was good for all of America. They have been putting THE REPUBLICAN party agenda and loyalty ahead of their patriotism, religion, or their loyalty to our country. They have made a great show of flag waving and religion, in order to hide the lie in their hearts: it's not AMERICA they support, it's the idea of "winning" against their American enemies...the "liberals", or the "democrats"....you know: they "bad guys". The "bad guys" that make up ONE HALF (or more) of the country they claim to love.

They don't love our country. And they obviously don't love our troops. They certainly don't honor our fallen soldiers, who have been sent to foreign soil to die for their oil, as a result of the lies that go all the way to the top of their REPUBLICAN party.

If anyone ever did really spit on a returning vietnam soldier, it was a deplorable act. An act so stupid, so mindless, so twisted that I have always had trouble believing the story was true. It would never have made sense to any of the war protesters I knew....who were people who thought deeply about the whole thing...college kids, mostly. And learned people. We were feeling tremendous compassion for our troops, because, like I said; they were our brothers, our classmates, our boyfriends, relatives. We were hearing the horror stories about what they went through, in letters, and when they got home. At least, from the ones who could even talk about it, because often the words would just stick in their throats, from the pain of it.

But now, we have a group of protesters who yell "We Don't CARE!" about the fallen soldiers, and the people who grieve their deaths. We have some billy-bob-bad-ass that takes a pickup truck, pipe and chain, and mows down Memorial Crosses to our fallen soldiers.

It makes me sad for the loss of our education system, that used to be the envy of the world, that no longer teaches people to THINK critically, rather than be brainwashed easily. It makes me sad for the loss of our empathy and compassion, as a population. Yes, the United States government has done many deplorable things through our history, but much of it was done without the knowledge of the people. So the people generally remained decent, caring human beings.

The likes of Rush Limpballs, and a media ownership structure who chose the dark side, changed all of that culture of decency to a culture of ignorance and hate, for the sake of news marketing.

If the values of running down the Crosses Honoring our Dead Soldiers is what we've come to, it's time this country needs to take a long hard look at ourselves. That type of introspection can't be done with sound bites.

Our young people in uniform are being asked to die, and they're being asked to kill. And when they die, the Crosses that Honor them are being mowed down for partisan sport. It doesn't take a genius to see that something is terribly wrong here.

It's time for a change in the direction our people are being lead. It's time for a cultural revolution. It's time to clean our house here at home, and purge our country from the insanity that would lead someone to mow down the Crosses that Honor our War Dead.

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LoudSue,

Your thoughtful and poignant post is a very powerful summary of the gap which currently exists in America.

Our country has become akin to South African APARTHEID! The American version is more based upon economics than race but I think there is a racist element in it as well.

I have been accused of "playing the race card" on prior occasions on this site. I however will not apologize because I think, as a "white man" I subscribe to former Senator Bill Bradley's view that we, white males, are all to some degree., recovering racists.

Look how the military recruiters scour the lower socio-economic levels of society's youth for recruits promising bonuses and money for college and health care, etc. Meanwhile, Barbara and Jenna party hearty with the jet set insulated from Daddy's "noble cause"!

I feel immediate anger with the pick-up coward who destroyed the "Arlington Southwest" crosses and other symbols placed to honor the memories of the Iraq war dead. Upon some reflection however, I feel more pity on the man and his inability to comprehend the gravity of his actions. Reacting in hatred and distortion and destruction is something the right wingers are EXTREMELY good at. But now maybe they have become too good at it. Maybe reactions such as this will be seen by centrists as so outrageous that the center will be morally outraged enough to abandon their support for the right.

Sue, I admire and appreciate your post.

Why do people keep referring to the Bush twins and their lack of military service? They are adults that make their own decisions. If they dont want to be in the military, that is their choice, not Gee Dubbya Bushy's.

Turn your TV on IndependentChris.......... All the Army's new ads are aimed at PARENTS to convince their kids to join the Army.

Using that logic............bush baby should be trying to convince his twins to join the Army.

Well we should just all do what the TV tells us to do then. Yep, that's the way to live.

I don't think that the Viet Nam war will be put behind us until and actual Viet Nam vet is elected president. Can that happen? Our window of opportunity is shrinking.

I simply do not understand all of this extreme hatred being directed at this woman. My very big concern if people do not step back and calm down someone is going to be hurt, vs. a cross being run over or a gun being shot in the air.

I hope I never go that crazy over anything or anybody that my reasoning is all screwed up. Somebody please ask the man that was arrested for running over the crosses why?

We are in sorry shape in our own country let alone what has been done to Iraq by America.

I simply do not understand all of this extreme hatred being directed at this woman. My very big concern if people do not step back and calm down someone is going to be hurt, vs. a cross being run over or a gun being shot in the air.

I hope I never go that crazy over anything or anybody that my reasoning is all screwed up. Somebody please ask the man that was arrested for running over the crosses why?

We are in sorry shape in our own country let alone what has been done to Iraq by America.

I am trying to understand the extreme hate being directed at Cindy.

It is hard to comprehend. I doubt the man in the truck had much education but the people on cable ...I just do not understand their need to try and turn her into an evil being. I was channel flipping today and stopped to make myself listen to David Horowitz (sp?) and just kept shaking my head at what was coming out of his mouth. I guess the important thing is he feels better after being so hateful.

I would like to be able to ask the man in the truck to tell us why .
I doubt much deep thought will go to any answer.

Yes, it is indeed sad and what concerns me with the level of all of this is that next time it may be a person vs. a cross that gets run over.

Our country has become so sad and Bush could put a stop to it right now with the right words...but he won't.

There are a lot of very sick and twisted individuals out there at the moment who are trying to process what they instinctively know to be true, and what they have been brainwashed into believeing. Such cognitive dissonance arises at many times in human history, however this time is very, very different.

The lies can be exposed to the light, and reason and faith can explain the nature of the universe and what our true purpose is here on Planet Earth right now, without violence entering into the picture.

The creation of a peaceful world is now completely and utterly possible via peaceful means. Many, many people are waking up to the fact right now, that violence is not innate. This fact has been known to many wise people throughout the ages. The Creator has created the conditions now, whereby people can link cause and effect and see how one action can create another action. This cosmic conceptual cul-de-sac was prophesied to be reached. There is a way out of the impasse...

Truth, prayer, vigilance and right action will see us all through.

The last verse of the Old Testament comes to mind here...

"Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord. And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse."

Malachi 4 - 5:6

I was listening to a program on 9/11 archives this morning. The question came up about whether the survivors and the families wanted the tapes released. Many, many families did. I thought to myself, the event was a very public tragedy and because it was so much a part of the country's history the archives and tapes couldn't be private. The speaker talked about the sinking of the Titanic as another example of a public tragedy. As the day went on my mind shifted to the news event making headlines today, Cindy Sheehan. It occurred to me, at that moment that she wasn't the important element of history here but the catalyst. She is the catalyst of change or perhaps the beacon of that change. No wonder she is so hated by some. No wonder someone was willing to knock the crosses down. A change is coming that is making them uncomfortable and she represents that change. She, with her actions, is announcing to the world that America is progressing forward.

You may not be racist... but you sure are prejudiced? Thanks for classifying me as being extremely good at reacting in "hatred and distortion and destruction"! But atleast criticize correctly, it should be "hatred, distortion, and destruction". Oh, and are you saying that the people of lower socio-economic standing do not deserve "bonuses and money for college and health care, etc". And, again... use your commas and "and's" correctly?

As much as I dislike most things right-wingers stand for, I cannot condemn them all for the actions of one idiot. He and the ones that chanted "we don't care" at Cindy have taken a lesson straight from the g w bush book. But, there are those "believers" that are beginning to see the light and are starting to question his motives.

bush has backed himself into a corner where he CAN'T talk to Cindy. To do so, would mean he would have to admit to making a mistake. His phsycho personality forbids him to admit anything wrong.

When all is said and done bush will be the loser and Cindy the winner. GO CINDY.

Take heart people. Uncle Larry, Dufus, Bubba and all the other "good old boys"can can mow down all the crosses they want. Just another example of the lunatic right wing fringe and how desparate they have come. Is this part of their "noble cause", the desecration of crosses honoring the war dead in Iraq?. Just when you thought they couldn't stoop any lower!! And criminal mischief? What the f*** is that? I think Uncle Larry should do community service and put everyone of those crosses back where they were.
Thank God for the other farmer who is willing to let Camp Casey move onto his land. What is his name? He should get at least as much media attention as Larry "Mr Porta Potty"
Mattledge got.

"Just another example of the lunatic right wing fringe and how desparate they have come"
These Bubbas and others are indeed right wing, but "fringe?' I don't think so. This is Texas, and this is Bush country, and this is the norm, not the fringe.
If the election were tomorrow, Bush would win in a landslide in Texas, sweep the South, and probably win be even a greater margin than the 2004 election.

I REALLY CONNECTED WITH SUE'S POST.MY HUSBAND IS A VIETNAM VET. YES, IT'S TRUE THEY CHANGED OUT OF THEIR MILITARY UNIFORMS BECAUSE OF THE VICIOUS ATTACKS THAT WERE LEVELED AGAINST THEM WHEN THEY RETURNED HOME, THEY WERE CALLED MANY FILTHY NAMES, AMONG THEM "BABY KILLERS" WAS FREQUENTLY USED. THIS REALLY HURT THEM BEYOND BELIEF, I KNOW HE HAS NEVER GOTTEN PAST IT, EVEN AFTER ALL THESE YEARS, THESE MEN WERE DRAFTED USUALLY AROUNG AGE 18 OR 19. THEY DID NOT HAVE A CHOICE BUT TO GO TO VIETNAM. MOST ALL OF THEM STILL SUFFER FROM SOME DEGREE OF PTSD.
I CAN NOT UNDERSTAND ANYONE THAT WOULD STOOP SO LOW AS TO RUN OVER CROSSES THAT REPRESENT THE MEN AND WOMEN WHO HAVE BEEN LOST. HE HAS SOME MAJOR ISSUES HE NEEDS TO ADDRESS IMMEDIATELY. AS THE PREVIOUS POST STATED, IT IS REALLY SO SAD THAT "WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO WOULD DO SUCH A THING" IT'S NOTHING BUT VICIOUS REVENGE, THIS IS PROBABLY THE ONLY WAY HE HAS OF "EXPRESSING" HIM SELF, GOD HELP HIM..
I HAVE THE UTMOST RESPECT FOR CINDY SHEENAN AND HER INTESTIONAL FORTITUDE FOR HER STAND, IT'S TIME FOR US TO REALIZE THAT OUR COUNTRY IS GOING TO HAVE TO GET BACK TO BASICS IF WE ARE GOING TO SURVIVE. WE NEED A "REALITY CHECK" BIG TIME FOLKS, THE MAJORITY OF AMERICANS, I FEEL ARE GOOD, DECENT PEOPLE, BUT THERE ARE ALWAYS A FEW BAD APPLES THAT MAKE A BAD IMPRESSION ON US ALL.
I FEEL SO SAD FOR OUR MEN AND WOMEN IN UNIFORM IN IRAQ. I JUST WANT TO SEE THEM COME HOME.. NO ONE EVER WINS A WAR, WHEN YOU HAVE LOST YOUR LOVED ONES, SONS, HUSBAND, DAUGHTERS, NO ONE WINS, THESE LIVES CAN NOT BE REPLACED, THEIR YOUTH WAS WASTED ON A MISSION THAT SHOULD NEVER HAVE HAPPENED. HUMAN LIFE IS VERY PRECIOUS AND SHOULD BE VALUED BY ALL, NO MATTER WHAT RACE, POLITICAL AFFILATION, GENDER, IT'S STILL VERY IMPORTANT TO ALL. I FEEL INTENSELY FOR THE ONES WHO HAVE LOST THEIR LOVED ONES TO THIS WAR. I JUST WISH IT WERE POSSIBLE TO REVERSE THE WHOLE THING FROM DAY ONE. JUST LIKE VIETNAM, WE LOST APPRX. 58,000 VERY PRECIOUS LIVES, FOR WHAT?? THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT IS HAPPENING ALL OVER AGAIN, AND IT'S NOT WORTH IT. WE CAN NOT FORCE OUR WAY OF LIFE ON OTHERS, AS LONG AS PEOPLE CAN LIVE ON THIS PLANET IN SOME KIND OF HARMONY, LET IT BE. WE ALL HAVE A RIGHT TO LIFE

GOD BLESS CINDY SHEENAN AND ALL THE OTHERS WHO ARE ABLE TO BE WITH HER IN CRAWFORD, IT'S NOT POSSIBLE FOR ME TO BE THERE IN PERSON, BUT THEY ARE DEFINATELY IN MY THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS.
THIS PRESENT ADMINISTRATION MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER PRAYING THEM SELVES AND ASKING FOR SOME DIVINE GUIDEANCE..

I REALLY CONNECTED WITH SUE'S POST.MY HUSBAND IS A VIETNAM VET. YES, IT'S TRUE THEY CHANGED OUT OF THEIR MILITARY UNIFORMS BECAUSE OF THE VICIOUS ATTACKS THAT WERE LEVELED AGAINST THEM WHEN THEY RETURNED HOME, THEY WERE CALLED MANY FILTHY NAMES, AMONG THEM "BABY KILLERS" WAS FREQUENTLY USED. THIS REALLY HURT THEM BEYOND BELIEF, I KNOW HE HAS NEVER GOTTEN PAST IT, EVEN AFTER ALL THESE YEARS, THESE MEN WERE DRAFTED USUALLY AROUNG AGE 18 OR 19. THEY DID NOT HAVE A CHOICE BUT TO GO TO VIETNAM. MOST ALL OF THEM STILL SUFFER FROM SOME DEGREE OF PTSD.
I CAN NOT UNDERSTAND ANYONE THAT WOULD STOOP SO LOW AS TO RUN OVER CROSSES THAT REPRESENT THE MEN AND WOMEN WHO HAVE BEEN LOST. HE HAS SOME MAJOR ISSUES HE NEEDS TO ADDRESS IMMEDIATELY. AS THE PREVIOUS POST STATED, IT IS REALLY SO SAD THAT "WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO WOULD DO SUCH A THING" IT'S NOTHING BUT VICIOUS REVENGE, THIS IS PROBABLY THE ONLY WAY HE HAS OF "EXPRESSING" HIM SELF, GOD HELP HIM..
I HAVE THE UTMOST RESPECT FOR CINDY SHEENAN AND HER INTESTIONAL FORTITUDE FOR HER STAND, IT'S TIME FOR US TO REALIZE THAT OUR COUNTRY IS GOING TO HAVE TO GET BACK TO BASICS IF WE ARE GOING TO SURVIVE. WE NEED A "REALITY CHECK" BIG TIME FOLKS, THE MAJORITY OF AMERICANS, I FEEL ARE GOOD, DECENT PEOPLE, BUT THERE ARE ALWAYS A FEW BAD APPLES THAT MAKE A BAD IMPRESSION ON US ALL.
I FEEL SO SAD FOR OUR MEN AND WOMEN IN UNIFORM IN IRAQ. I JUST WANT TO SEE THEM COME HOME.. NO ONE EVER WINS A WAR, WHEN YOU HAVE LOST YOUR LOVED ONES, SONS, HUSBAND, DAUGHTERS, NO ONE WINS, THESE LIVES CAN NOT BE REPLACED, THEIR YOUTH WAS WASTED ON A MISSION THAT SHOULD NEVER HAVE HAPPENED. HUMAN LIFE IS VERY PRECIOUS AND SHOULD BE VALUED BY ALL, NO MATTER WHAT RACE, POLITICAL AFFILATION, GENDER, IT'S STILL VERY IMPORTANT TO ALL. I FEEL INTENSELY FOR THE ONES WHO HAVE LOST THEIR LOVED ONES TO THIS WAR. I JUST WISH IT WERE POSSIBLE TO REVERSE THE WHOLE THING FROM DAY ONE. JUST LIKE VIETNAM, WE LOST APPRX. 58,000 VERY PRECIOUS LIVES, FOR WHAT?? THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT IS HAPPENING ALL OVER AGAIN, AND IT'S NOT WORTH IT. WE CAN NOT FORCE OUR WAY OF LIFE ON OTHERS, AS LONG AS PEOPLE CAN LIVE ON THIS PLANET IN SOME KIND OF HARMONY, LET IT BE. WE ALL HAVE A RIGHT TO LIFE

GOD BLESS CINDY SHEENAN AND ALL THE OTHERS WHO ARE ABLE TO BE WITH HER IN CRAWFORD, IT'S NOT POSSIBLE FOR ME TO BE THERE IN PERSON, BUT THEY ARE DEFINATELY IN MY THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS.
THIS PRESENT ADMINISTRATION MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER PRAYING THEM SELVES AND ASKING FOR SOME DIVINE GUIDANCE.

Please do not type in all caps. On the internet, all caps = shouting, and is considered to be rude.

This is why we must put more money and research into unmanned combat vehicles. We must eliminate putting the feet of real soldiers on the ground and in the air. It's not cowardly, it's smart. You will never see an engineer sitting outside Bush's ranch asking why his Predator was shot down.

Brilliant idea. Why go to all that trouble to de-educate and mislead the rabble when you can simply send robots to massacre the populations of countries that reject your perverted versions of "freedom, democracy and globalization". With a little extra programming, they could even serve as Wal-Mart employees between invasions.

Look out world, here we come! God help us all!

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