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The Situation Room on CNN Covers Cindy's Protest

Friday, August 12, 2005

CINDY SHEEHAN, SON DIED IN IRAQ: I want to ask the president, why did he kill my son? What did my son die for?

BLITZER: War mothers on both sides of the issue speaking out.

And a CNN exclusive. We'll go live inside North Korea where our Mike Chinoy is the only western correspondent in a tightly closed country. Stay with us.

BLITZER: Welcome back. We've been hearing a lot about Cindy Sheehan, she's protesting the president and his war policy. She lost a son in Iraq. We're going to be speaking with her shortly. But first, let's go to Chicago. Georgette Frank is joining us live. Georgette Frank lost a son in Iraq, as well. Georgette, thanks very much for joining us. Tell us a little bit about your son, Phil, first of all.

GEORGETTE FRANK, SON DIED IN IRAQ: It's nice to be here with you, Wolf. Thank you for having me. Lance Corporal Phillip Frank, our loving son, was always a protector. He always championed the underdog, stepped in to help when someone was being picked on. Didn't like bullies and wanted to be a soldier from when he was a very little boy.

BLITZER: He eventually wound up in Iraq and tragically, unfortunately, he was killed. Do you -- you support the president in contrast to Cindy Sheehan and other mothers who have lost sons. Tell our viewers why.

FRANK: To do less would diminish my son's sacrifice. He was a staunch supporter of President Bush, as we all were -- are. We believe that we need to be where we are. We are losing men, but they are there because they're doing their job. Freedom isn't free, Wolf. It costs. We wouldn't have the country that we had today if people did not sacrifice their lives so many years ago.

BLITZER: But you understand the pain and suffering that other mothers like Cindy Sheehan, who oppose this war, are going through right now?

FRANK: Absolutely. There is a grief and a pain that you carry with you every day. It's not out of my life. I just choose not to let it dominate my life. My husband and my family, my daughter, we've found another way to deal with it. And we choose to go on positively.

We support our president. We're supporting our son's brothers and sisters in the military through the Heart of a Marine Foundation, which we're in the process of setting up. And it will be there to help them, whether they're recruits or veterans or deployed. If they need a family, we will be there. We believe in what they're doing and we honor what they're doing.

BLITZER: Do you believe your son died for a noble cause?

FRANK: Absolutely. And he went over there for that cause. He told his father and I, the last time that we saw him, that he wanted to be part of bringing freedom to that part of the country -- part of the world. He wanted to be part of freeing the people out from under the likes of Saddam Hussein.

He said, "Where can a guy like me be part of something that great?" He believed in it. And Wolf, the day the Iraqis voted, my husband and I held each other and we said, "Well done, Phil. Well done." That's what he went over there for.

BLITZER: Georgette Frank, our heart goes out to you. Thanks so much for joining us here on CNN. We appreciate it very much.

FRANK: Thank you very much, Wolf. And I just would like to add that it's through places like where we find so much support for one another. And through doing positive things like the foundation, the Heart of a Marine Foundation. That's where you move forward and you move out of your pain and into a life that gives back. Thank you very much.

BLITZER: Thank you very much. Georgette Frank joining us in Chicago. Let's get a different perspective now, another mother who has lost a son in Iraq, and that's Cindy Sheehan. She's been protesting the president's policies outside his ranch in Crawford, Texas. Cindy Sheehan, we spoke last Sunday on "LATE EDITION," we're speaking again now. Our heart goes out to you, as well.

The president declined your request to meet with him now, for a second time. What goes through your mind as his motorcade, we saw it earlier, passed by where you and others are protesting on that road outside his ranch?

SHEEHAN: Well, first of all, I'd like to extend my condolences to Georgette and her family on the loss of their child, but our kids came home the same way in flag-draped coffins. And obviously, we have two differing opinions.

I think the positive thing I'm doing to get over the pain of my son -- which I'll never get over the pain. It's a lesson that is to save other lives and to bring them home. You know, when George Bush asked for the War Powers Act, he didn't say about bringing freedom and democracy to Iraq. He said weapons of mass destruction and terrorism.

And both of those things have been proven to be false. Freedom and democracy is a little bit harder to prove, and it could take decades to prove that. So, you know, I just want to get out of the way. My positive thing is, I don't want any more children to die. I'm a broken-hearted mom, Georgette is a broken-hearted mom. Why would I want one more mother to go through what I'm going through just because Casey is dead?

And when George Bush came by today twice, once past us and once going back, what he saw was a couple of hundred people out here that have opposing viewpoints to him. And he rarely sees that, because he is so insulated from real America. We usually have to stand out in freedom of speech zones, which are about a mile away from the president, and he never lets people who disagree with him into the same room as he does. So when he drove by, he saw, here we are. And we do not agree with your policies. And we're standing here with the Gold Star Moms, because we want them to change.

BLITZER: I want you to listen, Cindy, to what the president said, referring directly to you yesterday in Crawford. Listen to this.


GEORGE W. BUSH, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: And I thought long and hard about her position. I've heard her position from others, which is get out of Iraq now. And it would be a mistake for the security of this country.


BLITZER: You want to respond directly to that point?

SHEEHAN: Well, he -- that's not what I'm asking him. I'm asking him to tell me what is a noble cause my son died for, and to stop using my son's sacrifice to continue the killing. I didn't say, pull the troops out of Iraq. Even though, you know, that would be my goal. He didn't even address the questions that I asked him.

BLITZER: Are you going to be coming to Washington, assuming he doesn't meet with you while he's on vacation in Crawford, Texas, will you be following him to the White House?

SHEEHAN: We are going to take this vigil and put it on as close as we can get to the White House. And it's going to be a 24-hour perpetual vigil for peace until our troops are brought home. I won't be there 24 hours of course, but we're going to rotate.

BLITZER: A lot of our viewers are e-mailing us with this question -- and I'd like to give you a chance to respond, Cindy. More than a year ago, the president did meet with you, and at that time you emerged from that meeting and you were quoted by your hometown newspaper as saying this -- you said: "I know he's sincere about wanting freedom for the Iraqis. I know he's sorry and feels some pain for our loss. And I know he's a man of faith." Do you still believe all that?

SHEEHAN: I -- I think he might -- he might believe about freedom and democracy, but I know -- I know he knew he lied to the American public when he was talking about weapons of mass destruction and terrorism, because the Downing Street memo proved that. He's probably a man of faith. And I still agree with that, but you know, June of 2004 and August of 2005 are two different times. I have studied. I've informed myself. And I have seen the reports come out that prove that his positions are wrong. And the more that -- the more the proof comes out that he lied, or the policies were not true to get us into this invasion, occupation of Iraq, the more I become more focused to bring the rest of our kids home, because my son should still be alive. You know, tens of thousands of other innocent people should be alive. And our -- he's using our troops, who are brave and honorable and good, in a dishonorable cause, and that's the occupation of a country that was no threat to the United States of America.

BLITZER: All right. Cindy Sheehan, our heart goes out to you. Our heart, as I said earlier, goes out to Georgette Frank as well, and all the parents of all the troops who have died in Iraq.

SHEEHAN: Thank you.

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Your courage is an inspiration, your goal is noble. If your protest in any small way helps to shorten the tenure of this criminal administration, Casey"s death will not have been in vain.
Jerry & Elaine Applebaum

For the "Newbies" to the list, one thing you need to be aware of,
if you aren't already, is the concept of an "ad Hominem attack."
The current situation with Cindy Sheehan challenging the
Machiavellian PNAC NEO CONS is a perfect case study. And
Karl Rove, Bush's #1, is the master of these tactics and

definition of ad Hominem:
1. appealing to one's prejudice, emotions, or special interests rather
than to one's intellect or reason.
2. attacking an opponent's character rather than answering an

Notice the attacks on Cindy Sheehan's person, her personal history,
relationship with family, etc. These "character-assassins" are
trying to make her look like a "Bad Person" that should not be
listened to in order to silence the Truth that she carries on
her lips, "The war in Iraq was/is WRONG both from a moral standpoint and a legal standpoint."

Don't get distracted!!!

Don't get pulled onto the Machiavellian's playing field, stay to the
high ground instead!!!


From: Michael M

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Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 8:58 AM
Subject: Fw: Mike M, Atlanta -- Sheehan/Trippi Conference


Let's BOX Bush In. I cut this out of the news
stream this morning,

Bush pressed to meet protester
By Dave WedgeFriday, August 12, 2005

Pressure continued to mount for President Bush to
meet with the distraught mom of a soldier killed in Iraq as both Bay State
senators backed the woman and scores of families joined her outside Bush's Texas
home, including two from Massachusetts.

Sen. Edward M. Kennedy and Sen. John F.
Kerry yesterday each threw their support behind Cindy Sheehan
, who has
been camped outside Bush's Crawford, Texas, home since Saturday, vowing not to
leave until the president meets with her about the war. Sheehan's 24-year-old
Marine son, Casey, was killed five days after he arrived in Iraq.
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Senator Hillary Clinton. Bonus? She's afforded Full
Presidential Protection, which includes Airlift capabilities & Full Metal
Jacket-- Secret Service teams. Priceless!

This ought to CONFUSE the HELL out of the SECRET SERVICE,

I believe it is time to snap the Political Football and Get One
in the In-zone for the U.S. Senate & Congress... You guys have amazing
powers you haven't even thought you had. If unsure, I suggest reading this:

Section 8. The Congress shall have

To lay and collect Taxes, Duties,
Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and
general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises
shall be uniform throughout the United States;
To borrow Money on the Credit of the
United States;

To regulate Commerce with foreign
Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;
To establish an uniform Rule of
Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the
United States;

To coin Money, regulate the Value
thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and

To provide for the Punishment of
counterfeiting the securities and current Coin of the United

To establish Post Offices and post

To promote the Progress of Science
and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the
exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;
To constitute Tribunals inferior to
the supreme Court;

To define and punish Piracies and
Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of

To declare War, grant Letters of
Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and

To raise and support Armies,
but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two

To provide and maintain a

To make Rules for the Government and
Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

To provide for calling forth
the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel

To provide for organizing, arming,
and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be
employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States
respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training
the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
To exercise exclusive Legislation in
all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as
may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become
the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like
Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the
State in which the Same shall be for the Erection of Forts, Magazines,
Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;—And

To make all Laws which shall be
necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all
other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United
States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

Comment: Congress has broad
authority, including the power to impose taxes, maintain a military, declare
war, manage a postal system, create a judicial system, and borrow money. In
addition, Congress has sweeping power to enact laws to provide for the general
welfare of the country, and to pass any law that it regards as necessary to
carry out its other duties.


Please let me know you thoughts on this
plausible action plan.


I also was on that Trippi/Sheehan Conference call. I later offered the solution to Joe, but...

I haven't even heard a whisper...

Pick up the phone and put your foot through the line!

PS: Join us at the ONLY Camp Casey Online Forum @ Camp Casey with Cindy Sheehan in Crawford, Texas,One Mother's Pursuit to End an Unjustified War

PSS: Raw Link:

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