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Redemption Remains

It is possible for people to behave well in a crisis. It is possible for people to maintain their dedication to good and kindness in the face of fear and horrific loss. The loved one of a murder victim can love and comfort the murderer. This fact is going to become ever more crucial to understand and demonstrate as the crises of a collapsing climate engulf us.

In 1943 six residents of Coventry, England, bombed by Germany, wrote a public letter condemning the bombing of German cities. Imagine if they — and what they asserted was the general view of their neighbors — had been listened to. We’ve had seven decades of endless revenge, including a particular new burst of it that began around September 12, 2001. But some have pushed back.

A new film called In Our Son’s Name provides a powerful example. Phyllis and Orlando Rodriguez, whose story the film tells, published a letter shortly after September 11, 2001, that read:

“Our son Greg is among the many missing from the World Trade Center attack. Since we first heard the news, we have shared moments of grief, comfort, hope, despair, fond memories with his wife, the two families, our friends and neighbors, his loving colleagues at Cantor Fitzgerald/ESpeed, and all the grieving families that daily meet at the Pierre Hotel.

“We see our hurt and anger reflected among everybody we meet. We cannot pay attention to the daily flow of news about this disaster. But we read enough of the news to sense that our government is heading in the direction of violent revenge, with the prospect of sons, daughters, parents, friends in distant lands, dying, suffering, and nursing further grievances against us. It is not the way to go. It will not avenge our son’s death. Not in our son’s name.

“Our son died a victim of an inhuman ideology. Our actions should not serve the same purpose. Let us grieve. Let us reflect and pray. Let us think about a rational response that brings real peace and justice to our world. But let us not as a nation add to the inhumanity of our times.”

That was their immediate response when it mattered, and of course it ought to have been heeded. Orlando Rodriguez taught a course on terrorism at Fordham University after the death of his son, trying to reach at least a small number of people drowning in the sea of patriotism and militarism.

Phyllis Rodriguez wanted to meet Aicha el-Wafi, the suffering mother of the indicted Zacarias Moussaoui; and when they met they helped each other through their grief. Phyllis comforted Aicha during her son’s trial, at which Orlando and a dozen others testified for the defense.

“Our son’s life is not worth more than her son’s life,” said Phyllis, articulating both an obvious truth and an idea that millions of people would find incomprehensible, due to the power of nationalism and hatred.

The Rodriguezes began speaking publicly. Phyllis and Aicha spoke at events together.

Zacarias Moussaoui was reportedly amazed that any American would speak up for him. If he were to meet with and get to know people like Orlando and Phyllis he might come to oppose the ideology he had embraced. But that might not happen any time soon. He’s locked away for life, and the judge reportedly told him as he left court that he would “die with a whimper” and “never get a chance to speak again.”

As a substitute for meeting with people responsible for their son’s death, the Rodriguezes met at Sing Sing prison with five men convicted of kidnapping and murder. The men expressed their desire to meet with their victims and apologize, something they are denied the right to do. They also expressed the need to tell their stories and have someone listen. Phyllis and Orlando understood this perfectly, going into the meeting with the belief that while they had had ample opportunity to tell their story, these men hadn’t.

Orlando said the meeting with prisoners helped release some of his anger. He began teaching in prison, wishing he could teach the people who killed his son, wishing he could teach them not to do it. Of course that’s not really possible, but we can collectively compel the U.S. government to end policies that “create further grievances against us.”

What if every dead child were, in some sense, our son or daughter? Can we allow ourselves to think like that? Can we understand the grief and pain? Can we respond collectively with the wisdom and magnanimity that we long to see and occasionally do see in individuals.

Here’s a way to start. Buy a giant popcorn to share and show In Our Son’s Name to everyone you can.

The Mystery of Maylasian Airlines Flight MH17

 

 


Propaganda, Intelligence and MH-17

 

 

Editor Note: Propaganda is the life-blood of life-destroying wars, and the U.S. government has reached new heights (or depths) in this art of perception management. A case in point is the media manipulation around last year’s Malaysia Airlines shoot-down over Ukraine.

By Ray McGovern

During a recent interview, I was asked to express my conclusions about the July 17, 2014 shoot-down of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 over Ukraine, prompting me to take another hard look at Official Washington’s dubious claims – pointing the finger of blame at eastern Ukrainian rebels and Moscow – based on shaky evidence regarding who was responsible for this terrible tragedy.

Focus: Hillary Clinton - Aug 18, 2015

 

60 Clinton emails reportedly containing classified data - Fox News


Official: More than 300 Clinton emails flagged for potentially classified info - Fox News


Text of the State Department status report on Clinton emails to a federal court - scribd.com


State Dept.: 'No doubt' more Clinton emails will be classified - Washington Examiner


Report: State officials hiding extent of classified info on Clinton servers - Washington Examiner


VIDEO: State Dept. Undermines The Importance Of The Classified Emails On Clinton Server - YouTube


Hillary Clinton emails: Safe provided to lawyer among irregularities seen in review - Washington Times


VIDEO: State Dept. Unable To Answer Whether Clinton Aides Devices Were Secure - YouTube


Hillary Clinton IT firm Platte River says email backups are likely - Business Insider


Clinton’s IT Email Contractor: The Unraveling Continues - Breitbart


State Department Finds Thousands of Clinton Aide Philippe Reines Emails It Claimed Did Not Exist - gawker.com


POLL: Only 2% of Americans Think Hillary Clinton Told the Truth About Her Emails Not Containing Classified Information - The American Spectator

 

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GOP senator Grassley questions Clinton attorney on security clearance - TheHill


Text of GOP senator Grassly’ letter to Clinton attorney on security clearance - grassley.senate.gov


VIDEO: Gowdy: Clinton to testify in October before Benghazi panel, all questions ‘asked’ and ‘answered’ - Fox News


GOP group releases video blasting Clinton for classified email controversy (VIDEO) - Washington Examiner


Former U.S. Attorney General Mukasey: Clinton Defies the Law and Common Sense - WSJ


Hillary Clinton email scandal prompts Chris Christie to call for criminal investigation - POLITICO


VIDEO: Chris Christie on Clinton: What if I'd deleted Bridgegate emails? - CNNPolitics.com


VIDEO: Bob Woodward compares Clinton emails to Nixon tapes - TheHill


Ex-officials prosecuted for mishandling gov’t info see ‘double standard’ in Clinton case - Fox News


Hero Marine Nailed for Secret Email: What Did He Do That Hillary Didn’t? - The Daily Beast

 

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POLL: Hillary Clinton loses ground to Sanders nationally, trails Bush and Rubio in head-to-head match-ups - Washington Times


POLL: Iowa State Fair attendees pick Sanders over Clinton - TheHill


POLL: Clinton’s Lead Slips as Voters Question Email Server Explanations - Morning Consult


Advisers prepare a campaign strategy and tell Biden: Decide by October 1 - CNN


South Carolina in Focus as ‘Draft Biden’ Gains Steam - Bloomberg Politics


Facing Money Gap, Hillary Clinton Slowly Warms to ‘Super PAC’ Gifts - The New York Times


Pro-Clinton super PAC gets $1 million secret contribution - CBS News


CNN Forgets to Mention Op-Ed Writer Is a Million Dollar Bundler For Hillary - Power Line


Bernie Sanders Campaign Calls Out Hillary's College Plan: 'Disappointment' - Alternet


Hypocrisy: Hillary Clinton offers free coffee to campaign interns, no pay - Examiner.com


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Take No War Message to Senator Warner Today in VA Beach

Tell Senator Warner: SECURITY WITH DIPLOMACY! NO WAR WITH  IRAN!

WHERE: Hampton Roads Chamber of Commerce Forum
               TODAY
               FOUNDERS INN and SPA
               5641 Indian River Road
               Virginia Beach, VA 23464

WHEN: Noon until 2pm

WHY: Warner is ON THE FENCE. Obama needs  his support. Without this agreement, we are headed into WAR WITH IRAN. The warmongers are pouring millions into defeating diplomacy.

Sen. Kaine will also attend the forum. He already announces he will support the plan. We can thank him.

HOW: Non-violent peaceful presence outside the forum.

BRING: Signs saying "No War With Iran!", "Thank You, Sen. Kaine!", "Sen. Warner: Do You Want Another War?"

Thanks!
Kim Williams for Norfolk Catholic Worker/
williamsbaggarly@gmail.com

Talk Nation Radio: Inder Comar on Prosecuting Bush for War

https://soundcloud.com/davidcnswanson/talk-nation-radio-inder-comar-on-prosecuting-bush-for-war

D. Inder Comar is legal director at Comar Law, a boutique law firm in San Francisco. We discuss the case of Saleh v. Bush in which he is lead counsel, currently in the 9th Circuit, seeking to hold George W. Bush, Richard Cheney, and others responsible under the laws of Nuremberg for the invasion of Iraq in 2003. See: http://witnessiraq.com

Total run time: 29:00

Host: David Swanson.
Producer: David Swanson.
Music by Duke Ellington.

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Focus: Hillary Clinton - Aug 15, 2015

 

Hillary's IT Firm Lacked Security Clearance, Gov't Confirms - The Daily Caller


Hillary Clinton's servergate IT company accused of illegal actions - Daily Mail Online


Executive at Hillary Clinton's IT company sued after getting money from Backstreet Boys' Ponzi scheme - Daily Mail


IT company That Stored Hillary Clinton's Email Server Shared Confidential Info - Breitbart


FBI to start recovery of Hillary Clinton's email server - Washington Times


FBI Said to Examine Whether Hillary Clinton E-Mail Was Backed Up - Bloomberg Politics


David Petraeus Prosecutor on Hillary Clinton's Tail - Breitbart


If Hillary's Server Was 'Blank,' Why Did She Keep It? - The Daily Caller


Where did Hillary's personal emails go? - Washington Examiner


State Dept Gave a Safe to Hillary Clinton's Attorney for Emails - Breitbart


Judge Orders State Department to Report on Hillary Server Search - newsmax.com


State Department Tells Judge: Not Our Job to Search Hillary Clinton's Server - National Review Online


Bryan Pagliano: Man Who Ran Clinton’s Personal Email Server Worked for State Department - Peter Van Buren


RNC Releases Statement on Hillary Clinton Turning Over Her Private Email Server to DOJ - goldrushcam.com


POLL: Voters say Clinton lied about emails, put US at risk - Fox News


Tips on Deleting Emails From Email Book Hillary Clinton Wanted to Read - ABC News


The Hillary Clinton Email Investigation May Offer a Crash Course in Computer Forensics - huffingtonpost.com

 

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Clinton aides agree to preserve emails after judge's order - The Denver Post


Hillary Clinton aides had other unreported email accounts: State Dept. - Washington Times


Hillary Clinton email probe turns to her aide Huma - POLITICO


Official: Clinton ‘inner circle’ may have stripped email classification markings - Fox News


State Dept. Shuts Down Fox's Anonymous Speculation Of Clinton Aides Stripping Email Classification Markings - Media Matters for America


Classified data found on emails in May; Clinton camp slow to protect secrets - McClatchy DC


Influential people worldwide wrote Clinton on her personal email address - The State


Lindsey Graham: 'Impossible' That Hillary Had No Benghazi Emails - newsmax.com


VIDEO: Lindsey Graham: Where are Clinton's Benghazi emails? - Fox News Video


Feinstein Statement Defending Clinton Email Practices - Senator Dianne Feinstein


Hillary Clinton emails: Intelligence community wants security clearance suspended - Washington Times


POLL: 60% don't trust Hillary, 62% say she'll 'do anything' to be president - Washington Examiner


POLL: Hillary way under water in swing states - Fox News


As Clinton touts student debt bailout plan, critics point to $2M in college speaking fees - Fox News


Clintons Spend $110K for Two Weeks 'Working Vacation' in the Hamptons - People.com


Clinton Endorser Former Senator Tom Harkin Sought Out State Department Job For His Kid While HIlary Was Secretary Of State - The Daily Caller


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Nobel Peace Laureates Endorse Violence

In a recent letter to US President Barack Obama twelve Nobel Peace laureates declared their support for the long history of US elite violence against Native Americans and enslaved Africans, as well as the US imperial violence around the world that has butchered tens of millions of people over the past 200 years. See ‘US: An End to Torture: Twelve Nobel Peace Prize laureates write to President Barack Obama asking the US to close the dark chapter on torture once and for all. Obama responds’.

Judges Nixing Keystone XL South Cases Had Tar Sands-Related Oil Investments

Cross-Posted from DeSmogBlog

On August 4, the U.S. Appeals Court for the 10th Circuit shot down the Sierra Club's petition for rehearing motion for the southern leg of TransCanada's Keystone XL tar sands export pipeline. The decision effectively writes the final chapter of a years-long legal battle in federal courts. 

Corporate Media Crap Coverage of Sanders Is Norm

There are now articles about the predictable fluff BS horserace personality lifestyle crap coverage by the corporate media of the Bernie Sanders for president campaign (and articles about the predictable non-coverage of the Jill Stein for president campaign).

I wish it would all go away, as I think having no election would be preferable to holding such a broken one, and I'd limit even an open, free, credible, functioning, publicly-funded, fairly reported election to something under 6 months in duration.

But the Sanders coverage is actually far better, not worse, than I would have predicted. And its awfulness is par for the course, as is perhaps pointed out by this exchange I had recently with a reporter from Politico, who addressed me as Congressman Kucinich's former campaign manager, even though I never was that:  

"Hi David,
"My name is --------------- and I’m a reporter at Politico. I'm working on a story about the presidential candidates and how they can stay fit and stay on their diets on the campaign trail. I know that Rep. Kucinich was a vegan when he ran for office and I was hoping you could share your experiences on what it was like on the trail for him. As the Iowa fair heats up candidates will be offered lots of fried food and I just wanted to know how candidates are able to stay on diets, and keep fit. I would really appreciate your insight on this. Please feel free to call my cell phone ----------------. My deadline is tomorrow at noon EST."

I wrote back:

"Supporters were more than happy to prepare and provide vegan food, and I think I understand why they were. If Congressman Kucinich had been elected president in 2005, there's a decent chance that this past decade of wars and environmental destruction and advancing plutocracy and increasing violence and hatred would have moved us, instead, in a far better direction, a direction unimaginable to media consumers who -- the day after Kucinich won the most applause in a debate -- were typically told little more than that he was also there and, of course, what he fucking had for dinner. Do you have a serious question? I would be more than happy to answer one.
David"

The reporter replied:

"The story is about how candidates balance using food on campaign stops to portray a certain image while maintains lifestyle and health restrictions. I was looking for someone who had experience managing it, if you're not interested in an interview, no problem, thanks for your time."

I replied again:

"I was press secretary, not campaign manager, and yet I can assure you that Congressman Kucinich -- in what you may find an interesting twist -- didn't use food to create an image of any sort ever. He used food to fuel his health and his energy, and to ethically relate to a world being ravaged by industrial carnivorism. You can imagine that I'm not interested in an interview if it helps you feel better about the fluff you've been assigned to produce, but please understand my sincere interest in any meaningful, non-'lifestyle' discussion of the U.S. presidency, its candidates, and what we so grandiosely mischaracterize as our democratic elections."

Mark Warner Hides From Virginia Public

Senator Mark Warner's staff says he's holding only unannounced, closed-door meetings in Virginia this summer.

It's a good thing he doesn't have a job that requires knowing what the people of Virginia think about anything.



Virginians can click here to ask Warner by email to appear in public.

It's hardly an unreasonable demand. While Congress is on summer break, most senators and representatives attend publicly announced public meetings at which they speak about their work and hear comments from, and answer questions from, their constituents.

Warner could play a decisive role in upholding or rejecting the Iran deal (on which he has taken no public position), the Trans-Pacific Partnership, the Atlantic Coast Pipeline, and all sorts of other projects of critical interest to the people of Virginia.

On the Iran agreement, Warner is on a shrinking list of Democratic senators who continue to maintain the pretense that they're carefully reviewing the data on whether peace or war is preferable.

On the Atlantic Coast Pipeline, rumor has it that Warner will be meeting behind closed doors to discuss imposing that inevitable disaster on Virginians.

The TPP itself is secret because, in the view of several who have seen it, if it were to appear openly the public would never stand for it. Maybe Warner has the same idea for himself.

Shouldn't he want to know what Virginians think?

Please forward this message to your friends in Virginia. Please phone and tweet Warner if you're from Virginia, and email him here.

Could a Plant Win a Presidential Debate?

I don't mean an infiltrator planted in a nefarious plot to throw an election. I mean a green, soil-rooted, leafy plant.

I've been reading Brilliant Green: The Surprising History and Science of Plant Intelligence by Stefano Mancuso and Alessandra Viola. It is at the very least a suggestive treatise.

Imagine that astronauts discover life on another planet, and that the life discovered there is very different from humans. It doesn't use our sort of language or engage in our sort of thought. Yet it senses the world with many more senses than our pathetic little five. It communicates with others of its type and other types of life on the planet. Its individuals learn quickly through experience and adjust their behavior accordingly, strategizing and planning based on experience. It lives sustainably, adapts, and thrives for periods of time that make the existence of humanity seem momentary.

We might not choose to call that newly discovered life "intelligent" or "thinking." We might puff our chests out proudly, realizing that while we have arrived from afar to study it, it will never study us, at least not in a way we can recognize. But wouldn't much of our pride and excitement come from recognizing the impressive accomplishments and abilities of the novel life forms? Like a prophet outside his hometown, wouldn't those alien life forms become the focus of admiring academic disciplines?

Let's come back to earth for a minute. On the earth, 99.7% of the mass of living beings is plants. All animals and insects are negligible in those terms, and also in terms of survival. If plants vanished, the rest of us would be gone in a week or two. If we vanished, plants would carry on just fine thank you. When I say "we," you can imagine I mean "mammals" or "animals" because during the past several decades Western people have begun to return to believing that animals can feel and think and in other ways be like humans. A century ago non-human animals were thought to have no more awareness than plants or rocks.

If life forms on another planet were mysterious to us because they moved very quickly or very slowly, we would laugh at the Hollywood movies that had always imagined that aliens must move at more or less our speed. Yet, we film plants' movements, make them recognizable by speeding up the film, and go right on supposing that plants don't move.

Plants detect light above the ground and move toward it, and below the ground and move away from it. Plants detect nutrients below the ground and move toward them. Plants detect other plants closely related to themselves and leave them room, or detect unrelated competitors and crowd them out. Plants persuade insects to do their bidding. Plants hunt and dine on insects, mice, and lizards above ground, and worms below. Plants warn other plants of danger by releasing chemical messages.

A plant that closes its leaves up when touched by a hand, though not by wind or rain, if rolled on a cart along a bumpy road, will at first close up with each bump, but quickly learn not to bother, while still continuing to close up if touched by a person or animal.

Plants see light without having eyes. Plants hear sounds as snakes and worms do, by feeling the vibrations -- there's no need for ears. Plants that are played music between 100 and 500 Hz grow larger and produce more and better seeds. Plant roots themselves produce sounds, which conceivably may help explain coordinated movements of numerous roots. Plants sense and produce smells. Plants detect the most minute presence of countless substances in soil, putting any human gourmet chef to shame. And plants reach out and touch rocks they must grow around or fence posts they must climb.

Plants have at least 15 additional senses. They detect gravity, electromagnetic fields, temperature, electric field, pressure, and humidity. They can determine the direction of water and its quantity. They can identify numerous chemicals in soil or air, even at a distance of several meters. Plants can identify insect threats and release substances to attract particular insects that will prey on the undesired ones.

Plants can manipulate insects into assisting them in numerous ways. And if we weren't humans, we could describe the relationship between certain food crops and flowers and other plants, on the one hand, and the humans who care for them on the other, in similar terms of plants manipulating people.

In 2008, the Swiss Federal Ethics Committee on Non-Human Biotechnology recognized plants as possessing dignity and rights. Also in 2008, the Constitution of Ecuador recognized nature as a whole as possessing "the right to integral respect for its existence and for the maintenance and regeneration of its life cycles, structure, functions and evolutionary processes."

In 2008, the United States endured what at that point amounted to a truly outrageous presidential election circus. That was then. This is now. Imagine that scientists discovered the Fox News Presidential Primary debate. Here, they might observe, are life forms that wish to destroy life, detest the females of their own species, seek out violence for its own sake, reject learned experience through the bestowing of value on ignorance and error in their own right, and generate ill will in an apparent attempt to shorten and worsen their existence. Tell me honestly, would you be more impressed and pleased to stumble upon such a thing or to walk into a garden?

The most draconian information-gathering law yet: The Senate Wants to Make Internet Providers Spies

By Alfredo Lopez


How much noise does the other shoe make when it drops? If the shoe is a law that would complete the development of a police surveillance state in the United States, it's almost silent.

Focus: Hillary Clinton - Aug 13, 2015


Turmoil mounts surrounding Clinton emails containing top secret information - TheHill


Hillary Clinton to turn on her private server to the Justice Department - POLITICO


Grassley Statement: Intelligence Community Inspector General Confirms Highly-Classified Emails Stored on Clinton’s Server - Chuck Grassley


Memorandum from intel Inspector General stating that two Clinton emails contain information that was classified as Top Secret - Chuck Grassley


The Spy Satellite Secrets in Hillary’s Emails - The Daily Beast


State Dept disputes the intel Inspector General determination that Clinton emails were classified at the time they were sent - Fox News


The Hillary Email Server Scandal Runs Deeper at State Dept. - founderscode.com


Gabriel Malor counters State Dept spin that classified info was sent to Hillary Clinton, but not by her - Twitchy


Boehner: Clinton’s email statements shown ‘patently untrue’ - TheHill


Gowdy: Hillary Clinton Should Be Treated As David Petreaus Was, Equal Under The Law - townhall.com


Top Clinton Aides’ Unauthorized Possession Of Classified Info A Growing Concern - GOP


OPSEC calls upon John Kerry to immediately suspend all security clearances presently held by former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and her aides - MarketWatch


Hillary Clinton's campaign just sent out this 13-paragraph message explaining her 'complicated' email controversy - Business Insider


Pro-Clinton Research Center: Myths And Facts On Hillary Clinton's Email And Reports Of "Top Secret" Materials - Media Matters for America


Clinton Spokesman Won't Say if FBI Ordered Her to Hand Over Email Server - Breitbart


Hillary Clinton certifies email handover, but aides demur - POLITICO


Did Hillary Clinton emails reveal location of ambassador killed in Benghazi attack? They are vague and don’t reveal much more than what was publicly known at the time - PunditFact


POLL: Hillary Clinton Email Criminal Investigation Should Happen, Most American Voters Say, Monmouth University Poll Finds - IBTimes


POLL: Full text of Monmouth University Poll on American voters supporting criminal investigation of Clinton emails - Monmouth University Poll

 

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POLL: Sanders surges into lead over Clinton in New Hampshire, 44 percent to 37 percent - Fox News


POLL: Full text of Franklin Pierce-Boston Herald poll on Sanders leading Clinton in New Hampshire - Franklin Pierce-Boston Herald


POLL: Hillary Behind 4 Republicans in Iowa - newsmax.com


Bernie Sanders Draws Crowd Five Times Larger Than Audience at Hillary Clinton Campaign Launch - Washington Free Beacon


Joe Biden Is Sounding Out Allies About a 2016 Bid - WSJ


Judge appointed by Clinton tosses case against … Clinton Fondation - WND


Hillary ignores charges of sexual harassment against Clinton Foundation donor - Power Line


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Syria/Turkey News - Aug 12, 2015


U.S. denies reaching agreement with Turkey on Syria 'safe zone' - Reuters


VIDEO: US denies any Pact with Turkey on Safe Zone in Syria - YouTube


Turkey PM: Syria no-fly zone needed - BBC News


VIDEO: Turkey PM Ahmet Davutoglu pledges Syria 'safe zone' - BBC News


Ankara says Turkish, US forces to hit ISIL, Kurdish militants if entered ’safe zone’ - todayszaman.com


State Dept: US will not allow Turkey to attack PYD in Syria - Rudaw


U.S. Shelves Its $500M Syrian Rebel Army - The Daily Beast


Islamic State attacks Syrian rebels near Turkish border in an area where Turkey and the United States aim to create an area free of the jihadist group - Reuters


Al-Qaida affiliate ceases fighting ISIS in parts of Syria, orders fighters to stand down in parts of the country where Turkey intends to create a 'safe zone’ - The Guardian


Ahrar al-Sham announces support for ISIS-free Syria zone - Middle East Online


Ahrar al-Sham’s Political Office has posted an English version of its statement on Turkey’s “safe zone” in N Syria - Charles Lister on Twitter


Turkmen fighters arrive in Syria to launch the first phase of a joint U.S.-Turkish initiative to establish an Islamic State-free zone - IBTimes


Syrian Rebels Are Using Turkish Lira In ISIS-Free Zone - vocativ.com


New Coalition Airstrikes Destroy ISIL Infrastructure in Syria, Iraq - Defense.gov


Source on ground, who listened in to Nusra walkie talkie, tells me Nusra said 50 fighters dead after coalition strikes. 20 injured - Jenan Moussa on Twitter


As Rifts Open Up in Syria’s al-Qaeda Franchise, Secrets Spill Out - Carnegie Endowment for International Peace


ISIS Takes Aim at Its Toughest Foes in Southern Syria- The Daily Beast


Two days ceasefire agreed between Syrian army and rebels in three Syrian towns - sources - Reuters

 

Saudi Arabia rejects Russian calls to work with Assad against IS - Yahoo News


VIDEO (English): Lavrov and Saudi's al-Jubeir disagree about Syria and Assad - YouTube


Proposed UN Statement Would Back Preparatory Talks on Syria - ABC News

 

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Turkey's strikes on Kurds could drag US into new front, Pentagon sources fear - Fox News


Report claims Turkey gave US only 10 minutes warning before strikes on PKK - Middle East Eye


PKK should bury arms, ceasefire not enough: Erdoğan - hurriyetdailynews.com


VIDEO: Erdoğan: PKK should bury arms, ceasefire not enough, airstrikes will continue until 'not one terrorist is left' - YouTube


PKK claims responsibility for Monday's suicide bombing and a subsequent armed attack on a police station - Anadolu Agency


Swaggering Gunmen on Camera as PKK Targets Turkish Towns - Bloomberg Business


Turkish warplanes strike PKK targets in southeast - US News


Erdoğan seeks damages from HDP leader Demirtaş - .todayszaman.com


HDP deputy claims Turkey handed over YPG fighters to al-Nusra-allied group - hurriyetdailynews.com


Diplomatic crisis between Ankara, Tehran as FM's visit delayed - Cihan Politics News

 

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Tomgram: Engelhardt, What It Means When You Kill People On the Other Side of the Planet and No One Notices

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Talk Nation Radio: Cat Zavis on How to Update the U.S. Constitution

https://soundcloud.com/davidcnswanson/talk-nation-radio-cat-zavis-on-how-to-update-the-us-constitution

Cat J. Zavis is the Executive Director of the Network of Spiritual Progressives ( http://spiritualprogressives.org ). We discuss their proposed Enviroinmental and Social Responsibility Amendment to the U.S. Constitution (ESRA) ( http://spiritualprogressives.org/newsite/?page_id=117 ). Zavis is a Collaborative Divorce Attorney, Mediator, Child Advocate, Coach for Parents co-parenting their children after divorce and Author of the upcoming book, Parenting with Your Ex: Another F***ing Growth Opportunity. She is also a sought after trainer in empathic communication, having trained hundreds of Collaborative Attorneys, Coaches, Therapists, Mediators, spiritual practitioners and parents. In 2009, she was awarded a Peace Builder Award for her business.

Total run time: 29:00

Host: David Swanson.
Producer: David Swanson.
Music by Duke Ellington.

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SYRIA After the Iran-U.S. Sanctions Agreement: What’s Ahead – Diplomacy or Military Escalation?

Via U-Stream, Conference Call, Youtube and in person

TUES. Aug 11 @ 7:30pm EST Sharp

 

In Person at: Solidarity Center

Please arrive no later than 7pm at:

147 West 24th St, 2nd Floor, NY, NY 10011

(Between 6th & 7th Ave – Free parking available on street after 7pm, F, M, E  #1 subway or NJ PATH train to 23 St)

 

Or join us via

Conference Call Audio at 712-432-6100, Access code: 41853116 #

 

Or watch live U-stream http://www.ustream.tv/channel/IACenter

Questions for Panelists can be sent via the U-stream link

 

Or watch on Youtube by Tues 11pm at: IACenter.org

 

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Pease link to this program and help spread the word

 

Speakers include:

Dr. Ghias Moussa – Syrian American Forum

Ramsey Clark – former U.S. Attorney General & human rights attorney,

Margaret Kimberly – Black Agenda Report

Larry Hamm – Peoples Organization for Progress

Joe Lombardo – United National Antiwar Coalition

Sara Flounders – International Action Center

 

With discussion and video comments from

Dr. Cynthia McKinney, David Swanson, Caleb Maupin, Eva Bartlett, Kazem Azin … and others

 

An ALERT on Dangerous U.S. War Moves – U.S. bombing to support “moderate rebels” new inspections for chemical weapons, “Safe Zone” on Turkish border, new U.S. bases in Turkey… 

 

Organized by International Action Center – IACenter.org

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Exclusive: Hillary Clinton State Department Emails, Mexico Energy Reform and the Revolving Door

Cross-Posted from DeSmogBlog

Emails released on July 31 by the U.S. State Department reveal more about the origins of energy reform efforts in Mexico. The State Department released them as part of the once-a-month rolling release schedule for emails generated by former U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, now a Democratic presidential candidate.

Hillary Clinton Emails

Turkey News - Aug 10, 2015


Kurdish rebels attack police, military in Turkey, policeman killed - Reuters


Report: 7 hurt in bomb attack at Istanbul police station - The Sun Herald


VIDEO: 5 police, 2 civilians injured in blast at Istanbul police station, protest against PKK ensues - YouTube


Anti-goverment protests in Cizre turn violent after three people killed and seven wounded in clashes between Turkey police and PKK - Aganecy


VIDEO: Pro-Kurdish protesters clash with Turkey police in Cizre (Part 1) - YouTube


VIDEO: Kurds clash with Turkey police in Cizre (Part 2) - YouTube


Nearly 400 Kurdish rebels killed in 2 weeks of Turkey airstrikes: report - Yahoo News


Turkish authorities launch probe into video of handcuffed Kurdish villagers lying face down - todayszaman.com


VIDEO (English Subs): Turkish police chief shouts Kurdish villagers handcuffed and lying face down - YouTube


Thousands attend demonstration in Istanbul calling on peace between Turkey and PKK - hurriyetdailynews.com


VIDEO: Thousands gather in Istanbul to protest against the Turkish government's intensified military offensive on PKK targets (Part 1) - Reuters


VIDEO: Istanbul peace protest calls for end of hostilities with PKK (Part 2) - video.news.com.au


Thousands of Kurds in Germany march against Turkish air strikes - Yahoo News


VIDEO: Kurds in France and Germany protest Turkish military actions - YouTube


Brussels rally calls on US, Europe to help stop Turkish attacks - Rudaw


German FM: End of Turkey’s peace process would be fatal - todayszaman.com


Europe 'rejects' extradition of nearly 650 PKK and leftish suspects - middleeastmonitor.com


Turkey's pursuit of Kurdish rebels threatens to further destabilize the region - The Washington Post


Minister: Turkey will not give Syrian refugees right to work - todayszaman.com


Turkey faces credit downgrade risk by year end - todayszaman.com

 

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Pro-Kurdish party leader Demirtas urges the PKK to 'remove its finger from the trigger' and the government to launch peace talks - Yahoo News


Demirtaş visits family of slain soldier, calls for peace - todayszaman.com


HDP says negotiations for settlement should be with Öcalan-led delegation - todayszaman.com


Öcalan demands PKK and Turkey to stop the fighting, return to the table of negotiations - ARA News


Peshmerga chief urges PKK to leave Iraq’s Kurdish region - Anadolu Agency


VIDEO: Rifts among Kurdish parties over KRG call on PKK to leave Iraq's Kurdistan - YouTube


VIDEO: PKK leader: Turkey is protecting IS by attacking Kurds - BBC News


Ambulances ferry ISIL terrorists between Turkey and Syria, CHP report says - todayszaman.com


Kurdish Forces Discover Network of Tunnels Connecting Towns on Opposite Sides of the Syrian-Turkish Border - BasNews


Turkey intentionally late in action against ISIL recruiters: Report - hurriyetdailynews.com


YPG accuses Turkey of handing over six Kurdish fighters to Nusra Front, facing the risk of execution - ARA News


Another Jabhat al-Nusra judicial document for execution of individuals for fornication and homosexuality - Aymenn J Al-Tamimi on Twitter


US deploys six F-16 jets with 300 personnel to Turkey for IS fight - Yahoo News


Russia's Lavrov says U.S. must work with Assad to fight Islamic State - Yahoo News


Islamic State kills 37 rival insurgents in Syria's Aleppo province: monitor - Reuters


ISIS battles Syria rebels for key supply lifeline near Turkey border crossing: activists - THE DAILY STAR


Islamic State is led by more than 100 of Saddam's former officers - AP


Terra Incognita: Are Saddam-era soldiers secretly behind the rise of Islamic State? No. - Jerusalem Post


REPORT: A Snapshot of the Islamic State's Official Media Output - The Washington Institute for Near East Policy


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Lila Garrett’s CONNECT THE DOTS. This Monday:

Monday morning  at 7-8AM  tune in (KPFK 90.7 fm) or log on: http://archive.kpfk.org/index.php?shokey=ctd

Guests include:
I share my open letter to Congressman Ted Lieu of Los Angeles about his decision to accept a junket to Israel for freshman Congress people at this critical time.  (You can also read it in the LA Progressive) 

MEDEA BENJAMIN, co-founder of Code Pink & author of DRONE WARFARE on the importance of approving the Iran deal, the alarming increase in our use of drones, protests that work,  and more.

DAVID SWANSON, Director of Rootsaction.org,  author of WHEN THE WORLD OUTLAWED WAR,  DAYBREAK ,   THE MILITARY COMPLEX AT 50, WAR IS A LIE  &  more, discuses Israel’s part in trying to torpedo the Iran deal,  some Congress people’s collusion, risks if we don’t pass it, how to get it approved.

70 Years of Korean War

After marking the destruction of Nagasaki and the police-murder of Michael Brown in Ferguson on August 9th, Americans have options for what to commemorate on August 10th. I'm inclined to think that August 10th should be formally recognized as Gulf of Tonkin War Fraud Day. But I'm not sure, because another event is in even more need of remembrance.

It was the day after the death blow to Nagasaki, 70 years ago, that the victors of the most awesomest war ever chose to create a division of Korea along the 38th parallel -- a line that would be revered as a holy thing when North Korean troops later came across it, but dismissed as "imaginary" when U.S. troops crossed it heading north.

The Korean war was to World War II what the anthrax letters were to 9-11 -- without it sanity had a real chance; militarism was being scaled back drastically until the Korean war created the excuse for the permanent imperial war economy; but almost nobody even recalls what happened. Even Dean Acheson, who had imposed sanctions on Japan that led to Pearl Harbor and whose decision it was to fight a horrible war in Korea, is almost unknown. In part this is because the war coincided with McCarthyism, and few dared speak the truth about it at the time. In part it is because remembering it brings predominantly shame and disgust.

Before the war came the U.S. occupation of the South, the repression of leftists, the massacres of the people by the U.S. and South Koreans, including the slaughter of 30,000 to 60,000 on Jeju Island where South Korea is now building a huge new base for the U.S. Navy. Then came aggression from the South, including a year of raids across the sacred 38th parallel, and the South's announced intention to invade the North.

Make deal not war!: Obama’s, and Washington’s, Absurd Choice of a Nuclear Deal or War on Iran

By Dave Lindorff


I don’t know which is worse: President Obama asserting, in defense of the nuclear deal he and his Secretary of State John Kerry negotiated with Iran, that “The choice we face is ultimately between diplomacy and some form of war, maybe not tomorrow, maybe not three months from now, but soon,” or the fact that most Americans, and most American pundits, seem to accept that limited choice of options as a given.

Syria/Turkey News - Aug 8, 2015


Attack on Syrian rebels raises questions about how a small ragtag group of U.S.-trained forces was sent into battle - AP


Pentagon says Syrian training program no longer seen as major way to fight Islamic State, praises Syrian Kurdish forces - Miami Herald


CENTCOM insists it’s in regular contact with US-trained Syrian rebels despite reports that it had lost track of many of the fighters - U.S. Stripes


VIDEO: US-trained Syria troops 'not supported', senior rebel says the US failed to protect Division 30 when it came under attack by Nusra - BBC


US-trained Syrian rebels refuse to fight Nusra Front after kidnappings, also opposes American air strikes carried out against the al-Qaida-linked fighters - The Guardian


Arab media are laughing at the Pentagon, see US-trained anti-Islamist force as only fit to ‘play paintball’ - Jerusalem Post


Nusra militants evacuate headquarters near Aleppo to avoid U.S.-led strikes - ARA News


The Nusra Front’s internal purges, two top leaders arguing for total war against the Islamic State dumped - Carnegie Endowment for International Peace


VIDEO: Pushing Back the Islamic State: The Kurdish Battle for Rojava - VICE News


As Iran Rises in the Mideast, Kurds Benefit in Iraq and Syria - breitbart.com


Syria says fight against Islamic State must include Damascus - Daily Mail Online


Assad must leave or forced to: Saudi FM - KUNA

 

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Obama To Turks: Don't Use The War On ISIS To Bomb The Kurds - huffingtonpost.com


US defends itself, claims agreement with Turkey not a betrayal of Kurds - bgnnews.com


PKK calls on US to be part of the peace process by bringing Turkish and Kurdish sides around a negotiation table - hurriyetdailynews.com


Kurdish leader Demirtas seeks EU help in peace talks with Turkey - Al Bawaba


Five killed as PKK continues its attacks in Turkey - hurriyetdailynews.com


VIDEO: Kurds clash with Turkish police in two southeastern towns - YouTube


'There Will Be a Civil War in Turkey': Welcome to Cizre, the 'Center of Kurdish Resistance' - VICE News


PKK guerrillas: We will stay in Iraq until war is finished - Rudaw


Arab league condemns Turkey’s PKK operations - todayszaman.com


Medvedev says legitimacy of Turkey’s air strikes in Iraq ’doubtful’ - todayszaman.com


Academics call on government to restore peace in Turkey - todayszaman.com

 

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U.S. Central Command: One year in, officials assess anti-ISIL progress - centcom.mil


Pentagon on the year long anti-ISIL campaign: "the true situation shows a waning insurgency, losing ground on nearly every front" - defense.gov


Dozens of Syrian Christians missing and believed to be captives of the Islamic State after it seizes town - The New York Times


Islamic State executed 2,000 Iraqis in Mosul region since takeover: Iraq defense minister - Yahoo News


Kurdish official says ISIS executed 19 girls for refusing to have sex with fighters - Daily Mail Online


Artificial intelligence decodes Islamic State strategy, Roadside bombs more likely after air campaigns (VIDEO) - BBC News


REPORT: Mining for Causal Relationships: A Data-Driven Study of the Islamic State - arxiv.org


What it takes to join the Islamic State, a prospective jihadist is subjected to information based on books, publications and fatwas, accompanied by military training - Al-Monitor


If You Retweet an ISIS Message, You’re Being Recorded by the F.B.I. - huffingtonpost.com


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Which U.S. Senators Want War on Iran

Let's do the count:

Senators rallying and whipping their colleagues to support the Iran agreement: 0.

Senators admitting that Iran has had no nuclear weapons program and has never threatened or been a threat to the United States: 0.

Senators pushing the false idea that Iran is a nuclear threat but indicating they will vote to support the agreement precisely in order to counter that threat: 16
(Tammy Baldwin, Barbara Boxer, Dick Durbin, Dianne Feinstein, Kirsten Gillibrand, Martin Heinrich, Tim Kaine, Angus King, Patrick Leahy, Chris Murphy, Bill Nelson, Jack Reed, Bernie Sanders, Jeanne Shaheen, Tom Udall, Elizabeth Warren)

Republican (and "Libertarian") senators indicating they will try to kill the agreement, thereby moving the United States toward a war on Iran: 54.
(All of them.)

Democratic senators inspired during the repulsive Republican debate Thursday night to announce that they will try to kill the deal (and would rather have a war): 1.
(Charles Schumer.)

Democratic senators who haven't clearly stated a position: 29.

The number of those 29 who would have to join Schumer to kill the agreement and set the United States on a path toward self-isolation, international disgrace, and disastrous illegal immoral catastrophic war that will make Iraq and Afghanistan look like diplomacy: 12.

Can we keep the agreement protected from such a fate? Of course we can. We've been stopping a war on Iran for many years now. We stopped it in 2007. Such things never enter U.S. history books, but wars are stopped all the time. In 2013, the push for a massive bombing campaign on Syria was hard and absolutely bipartisan, yet public pressure played the key role in stopping it.



Now we have the White House on our side for godsake. When Obama wants a horrible corporate trade agreement fast tracked or a supplemental war spending bill rammed through or a "healthcare" bill passed, he twists arms and offers bribes, he gives rides on his airplane, he sends cabinet secretaries to do PR events in districts. If he really wants this, he'll hardly need our help. So one strategy we need to keep after is making clear he knows we expect this of him.

Senator Sanders has a gazillion fans now, and something like all but 3 of them believe he is a hero for peace. If you're a Bernie supporter, you can urge him to rally his colleagues to protect the Iran agreement.

In states like Virginia where one senator is taking the right position and one is keeping quiet, urge the first one (Kaine) to lobby the other one (Warner).

Would-be senators like Alan Grayson who want people to think of them as progressives but who have been pushing to kill the deal since before Schumer slithered out from under his rock, should be hounded everywhere they show their faces.

Schumer himself should not be permitted to appear in public without protest of his warmongering.

Just as in the summer of 2013, most senators and house members are going to be at public events in the coming weeks. Email and call them here. That's easy. That's the least anyone can do. And it had an impact last time in 2013. But also find out where they will be (senators and representatives both) and be there in small or large numbers to demand NO WAR ON IRAN.

The most expensive weapons system they've got ("missile defense") has been using the mythical Iranian threat as a ridiculous justification for picking your pocket and antagonizing the world in your name for years and years. But Raytheon wanted those missiles to hit Syria, and Wall Street believed they would.

The Israel lobby has much of Congress bought and paid for. But the public is turning against it, and you can shame its servants.

In the long run, it's useful to remember that lies do not set us free.

If both proponents and opponents of the agreement depict Iran falsely as a nuclear threat, the danger of a U.S. war on Iran is going to continue, with or without the deal. The deal could end with the election of a new president or Congress. Ending the agreement could be the first act of a Republican president or a Schumerian Democratic Leader.

So, don't just urge the right vote while pushing the propaganda. Oppose the propaganda as well.

Bernie Talks Militarism But Says Nothing New

Yes, I think the election season is a disastrously overlong distraction. If people's interest in it can be used to get them to ask their heroes to lead on important matters -- such as asking Bernie Sanders to rally the Senate for the Iran agreement or against the TPP -- then that's a nice silver lining. If people want to get drunk watching Republicans debate rather than some other poorly conceived tragicomedy on TV, what do I care?

But there's usually little of moving the beloved leader forward on anything, because supporters take on the role of servants, not masters. Criticism equals endorsement of some other leader. Advice equals endorsement of some other leader. And facts are seen through glasses tinted the shade of one's preferred public commander.

RootsAction's petition asking Sanders to talk about the military has nearly 14,000 signatures. It's produced a number of claims that Bernie in fact does talk about the military, and has a great record on it, etc. Following up on each of these claims thus far has led to virtually nothing new. If you go to Bernie's website and click on ISSUES and search for foreign policy or war or peace or overall budget priorities (militarism now actually gets 54% now), you'll be searching forever -- unless he adds something. His "issues" page acts as if 199 nations and 54% of the budget just don't exist.

If Senator Sanders were to add anything about war to his website, judging by his standard response when asked, it would be this:

The military wastes money and its contractors routinely engage in fraud. The Department of Defense should be audited. Some weapons that I won't name should be eliminated. Some cuts that I won't even vaguely estimate should be made. All the wars in the Middle East should continue, but Saudi Arabia should lead the way with the U.S. assisting, because Saudi Arabia has plenty of weapons -- and if Saudi Arabia has murdered lots of its own citizens and countless little babies in Yemen and has the goal of overthrowing a number of governments and slaughtering people of the wrong sect and dominating the area for the ideology of its fanatical dictatorial regime, who cares, better that than the U.S. funding all the wars, and the idea of actually ending any wars should be effectively brushed aside by changing the subject to how unfair it is for Saudi Arabia not to carry more of the militarized man's burden. Oh, and veterans, U.S. veterans, are owed the deepest gratitude imaginable for the generous and beneficial service they have performed by killing so many people in the wars I've voted against and the ones I've voted for alike.

A brilliant and talented friend of mine named Jonathan Tasini is about to publish a book on Sanders' platform on numerous issues. I asked to read an early copy because I had a huge hope that perhaps Sanders had addressed what he's silent on in an interview with Tasini. He's silent on how much he'd cut the military, even within a range of $100 billion. He's silent on alternatives to war. He's usually silent on U.S. subservience to Israel. He's silent on drone murders. He's silent on militarism and military spending driving the wars, the civil liberties losses, the militarization of local police, the militarization of the borders, the nasty attitudes toward immigrants and minorities, etc. He's silent on the public support for two, not one, great sources of revenue: taxing the rich (which he's all over) and cutting the military (which he avoids). I admit that I also had a secret fear that Tasini's book would not mention foreign policy at all.

Well, the book turns out not to include new interviews but just to collect past speeches and remarks and interviews and legislative records, carefully selected to paint the most progressive picture. So, wars Sanders opposed are mentioned. Wars he supported are not. Critiques of wasteful spending are included. Support for wasteful spending when it's in Vermont is not. Etc. I do recommend getting the book as soon as it comes out. No similar book could be produced about any other candidate in the two mega parties. But take it all with a grain of salt. You'll still have no grasp of Sander's basic budgetary platform or approach to diplomacy or foreign aid or international law or demilitarization or transition to peaceful industries -- assuming he develops any approach to some of those things.

And to those who are already telling me that Sanders has to censor his actually wonderful secret desires to move the world from war to peace (and presumably a 12-dimensional chess move by which Saudi Arabia check mates all the warmongers and fossil fuel consumers) -- that he has to keep quiet or he'll have powerful forces against him or he'll be assassinated or he'll lose the election -- I'm going to say what I said when people told me this about Obama: IT'S NEVER WORKED THAT WAY IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD! WHAT ARE YOU SMOKING? We're lucky if candidates keep half the promises they make. Getting them to keep promises they never made but we fantasized has never been done.

I also had hopes for the wonderful and admirable Nicole Sandler's radio show on Thursday. She'd said that Sanders had no reluctance at all to discuss militarism. But of course I didn't expect him to refuse to talk. I expected him to just muddle through the same old same old. And so he did. He talked about cost overruns and waste, fraud, a DoD audit. He said he'd eliminate some weapons (but didn't name a single one). He said he'd make cuts but "I can't tell you exactly how many." Can you tell us roughly how many? He said he wanted "Muslim countries" to help with fighting the wars. Sandler prompted him with his Saudi Arabia thing, and he went off on that, and the host agreed with him.

So the Socialist wants to turn foreign affairs over to a royal theocratic dictatorship, won't say what he'd do to the largest item in the budget even though it's WAR, and he's bravely come out against fraud and waste without naming any instances of it.

And now I have a choice of being satisfied or an ungrateful perfectionist secretly supporting Hillary, even though her record on militarism is worse than that of almost any human alive and her website lists Iran, ISIS, Russia, and China as enemies to be stood up strong against. Oh, forget it. What time do the Republicans come on? Pass the whiskey.

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